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1 day 46 minutes ago #34769
by asteroid
Senior night (or day, as the case may be). Rivalry game. Many players who don't
deserve to wear the uniform and won't be wearing it next season. A coach who
definitely won't be wearing the uniform next season. So many story lines.
Pomeroy has Kansas State with the 8th fastest tempo in all of Division I. Twice
they've scored into the triple digits, and twice they've allowed triple digits.
Should be a higher scoring game, unless the Jayhawks shoot as poorly as they did
in the first half against Arizona State. Even the point blank shots weren't falling.
The Wildcats have played a whopping 14 games above or below expectation by double
digits. And it shows, as the inconsistency value for Kansas State is more than
two points higher than it is for Kansas, who hasn't exactly been a picture of
consistency this season.
Only three times has Kansas State played above expectation by enough to overcome
the predicted margin for today's game (Mississippi State, Mississippie Valley State,
and Baylor). Only once did Kansas play below expectation by enough to lose today's
game (Cincinnati). That's an average of 2 out of 30 games for about a 6 percent
chance of the Jayhawks losing, which is even less than the various prognosticators
are expecting.
Everybody is picking Kansas in the game. Massey is the most pessimistic, giving
the Jayhawks a mere 11 point margin, while Dunkel is the most optimistic, the
margin being 20 points. Yes, I recall that Dunkel was the only prognosticator
who picked Arizona State to win. Well, even a broken clock is correct twice a
day. The average is 16.1 points, with a scatter of 2.7 points.
The Wildcats, of course, have nothing to lose, so we can expect them to play
freely. The Jayhawks are playing for Senior Night (will Peterson give a Senior
speech?), seeding in the Big XII tournament, and seeding in the Big Dance.
Kansas could still earn a 3 seed behind Arizona and Houston, if Texas Tech loses
in Provo. Getting that 3 seed might also require a loss by Iowa State; I have
not bothered to check the tie-breaker rules. A 4 seed and double-bye is perhaps
the more likely outcome, but again, I don't know the tie-breaker rules if Iowa
State wins and Tech wins. If TCU wins, Kansas loses, and Iowa State loses, there
could be a three-way tie for fourth place, but because Kansas has the tie-breaker
over TCU, a 6 seed seems impossible.
By the way, LRMC is finally on board for this season. Usually they wait until
very late in the season, but it seemed unusually late this time around.
Rock Chalk!
Greenfield Stats Comparison
===========================
Offensive Stats KSU KU Defensive Stats KSU KU
Points/Game 79.0 75.6 Opp Points/Game 80.3 68.8
Avg Score Margin -1.3 +6.8 Opp Effective FG % 51.5 44.9
Assists/Game 17.1 14.4 Off Rebounds/Gm 8.8 8.7
Total Rebounds/Gm 34.4 38.6 Def Rebounds/Gm 21.8 27.0
Effective FG % 53.1 52.0 Blocks/Game 3.6 5.9
Off Rebound % 27.5 27.7 Steals/Game 7.0 5.5
FTA/FGA 0.265 0.321 Personal Fouls/Gm 19.2 14.4
Turnover % 15.5 13.6
My Stats Comparison KU KSU
=================== ============= ============
performance +0.64 +0.90
inconsistency 10.99 13.10
trend -0.26 ± 0.23 -0.41 ± 0.27
mental toughness -0.28 ± 0.22 -0.24 ± 0.19
average total pts 144.63 159.33
total pts reg 142,93 159.33
Common Opponents
================
There are fourteen common opponents, all in conference, two of which Kansas State
has played twice (West Virginia and TCU), and two of which Kansas has played twice
(Iowa State and Arizona), plus the head-to-head in Manhattan. giving us nineteen
scores to compare:
KU +8 BYU at home ( +4 neutral court)
KSU -10 BYU at home (-14 neutral court)
KU +22 KSU at home (+18 neutral court)
KU -23 UA on road (-19 neutral court) KU +4 UA at home ( 0 neutral court)
KSU -25 UA on road (-21 neutral court) KSU -25 UA on road (-21 neutral court)
KU +6 KSU at home ( +2 neutral court) KU +25 KSU at home (+21 neutral court)
KU -10 ASU on road ( -6 neutral court)
KSU -3 ASU on road ( +1 neutral court)
KU -3 KSU at home ( -7 neutral court)
KU -6 UCF on road ( -2 neutral court)
KSU -9 UCF at home (-13 neutral court)
KU +15 KSU at home (+11 neutral court)
KU +12 OSU on road (+16 neutral court)
KSU -1 OSU on road ( +3 neutral court)
KU +17 KSU at home (+13 neutral court)
KU +12 UU at home ( +8 neutral court)
KSU +3 UU at home ( -1 neutral court)
KU +13 KSU at home ( +9 neutral court)
KU -11 WVU on road ( -7 neutral court) KU -11 WVU on road ( -7 neutral court)
KSU -5 WVU on road ( -1 neutral court) KSU +2 WVU at home ( -2 neutral court)
KU -2 KSU at home ( -6 neutral court) KU -1 KSU at home ( -5 neutral court)
KU +21 ISU at home (+17 neutral court) KU -18 ISU on road (-14 neutral court)
KSU -34 ISU at home (-38 neutral court) KSU -34 ISU at home (-38 neutral court)
KU +59 KSU at home (+55 neutral court) KU +28 KSU at home (+24 neutral court)
KU +4 TCU at home ( 0 neutral court) KU +4 TCU at home ( 0 neutral court)
KSU -2 TCU on road ( +2 neutral court) KSU -9 TCU at home (-13 neutral court)
KU +2 KSU at home ( -2 neutral court) KU +17 KSU at home (+13 neutral court)
KU -16 UC at home (-20 neutral court)
KSU -29 UC at home (-33 neutral court)
KU +17 KSU at home (+13 neutral court)
KU +13 UH at home ( +9 neutral court)
KSU -14 UH on road (-10 neutral court)
KU +23 KSU at home (+19 neutral court)
KU +18 BU at home (+14 neutral court)
KSU +16 BU at home (+12 neutral court)
KU +6 KSU at home ( +2 neutral court)
KU +3 TTU on road ( +7 neutral court)
KSU -28 TTU on road (-24 neutral court)
KU +35 KSU at home (+31 neutral court)
KU +6 CU on road (+10 neutral court)
KSU -9 CU on road ( -5 neutral court)
KU +19 KSU at home (+15 neutral court)
KU +24 KSU on road (+28 neutral court)
KU +32 KSU at home (+28 neutral court)
Sixteen of the comparisons favor Kansas, while three favor Kansas State, namely the
Arizona State and West Virginia comparisons. The Iowa State home court comparison is
an astounding 59 points. The two teams have played most of their "just once" common
opponents in same way (home or away). The average margin is 17.37 points in favor of
Kansas, with a scatter of 15,15 points.
Players to Watch
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most minutes P. J. Haggerty (guard)
most points P. J. Haggerty (guard)
most rebounds P. J. Haggerty (guard)
most assists Nate Johnson (guard)
most steals Nate Johnson (guard)
most blocks Dorin Buca (center)
most turnovers P. J. Haggerty (guard)
most fouls Khamari McGriff (forward)
Guard Abdi Bashir Jr. is out with an unspecified injury; he averages 24 minutes per
game, 13 points per game, 2 rebounds per game, and 2 assists per game.
21-9 12-18
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Kansas State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Massey +11.00 81 70 88 # 18 # 3 # 87 # 44
Pomeroy +16.60 87 70 94.2 # 20 # 1 #100 # 27
Greenfield +16.50 86.5 70 # 19 # 8 # 91 # 57
Dunkel +20.00 80 60 # 24 #133
Vegas (via Dunkel) +16.50 86 70
Dolphin Predictive +14.52 84 69 89.2 # 21 # 6 # 98 # 58
DPPI +14.30 83 68 83.5 # 22 # 1 #107 # 36
ESPN Bet/BPI +16.50 86.5 70 # 19 # 3 # 86 # 34
Whitlock +15.90 # 15 # 1 #102 # 30
Colley Matrix +19.62 # 11 # 1 #137 # 23
Donchess +11.40 86.5 74 86.7 # 21 # 1 # 82 # 31
Haslametrics +16.44 84 67 # 24 # 99
INCCStats +15.00 84 69 91.6 # 20 # 96
common opponents +17.37
trend and mental +19.89
NCAA NET # 19 #100
LRMC # 22 # 2 # 92 # 41
Massey composite # 16 #102
Pomeroy offense # 55 #115
Pomeroy defense # 9 # 92
Pomeroy tempo #183 # 8
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +16.10 84.4 68.8 88.9
scatter 2.67 2.4 3.4 3.8
Here is Kansas' season, for which the projected record is currently 22-9:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #194 Green Bay 94 51 +20.98 +22.02
AWAY # 29 North Carolina 74 87 -0.62 -12.38
HOME #179 Texas A&M Corpus Chris 77 46 +21.10 +9.90
HOME #246 Princeton 76 57 +23.75 -4.75
NEUT # 1 Duke 66 78 -9.82 -2.18
NEUT # 87 Notre Dame 71 61 +10.50 -0.50
NEUT # 81 Syracuse 71 60 +9.90 +1.10
NEUT # 13 Tennessee 81 76 -0.71 +5.71
HOME # 9 Connecticut 56 61 +1.12 -6.12
NEUT # 50 Missouri 80 69 +6.55 +4.45
AWAY # 35 N.C. State 77 76 +0.26 +0.74
HOME #174 Towson 73 49 +19.85 +4.15
HOME #111 Davidson 90 61 +16.12 +12.88
AWAY # 53 UCF 75 81 +3.63 -9.63
HOME # 44 TCU 104 100 +9.20 -5.20
AWAY # 56 West Virginia 75 86 +3.58 -14.58
HOME # 8 Iowa St. 84 63 +0.74 +20.26
HOME # 49 Baylor 80 62 +10.14 +7.86
AWAY # 64 Colorado 75 69 +5.34 +0.66
AWAY #100 Kansas St. 86 62 +9.60 +14.40
HOME # 24 BYU 90 82 +5.79 +2.21
AWAY # 14 Texas Tech 64 61 -4.16 +7.16
HOME #120 Utah 71 59 +17.39 -5.39
HOME # 3 Arizona 82 78 -4.82 +8.82
AWAY # 8 Iowa St. 56 74 -6.26 -11.74
AWAY # 68 Oklahoma St. 81 69 +6.22 +5.78
HOME # 42 Cincinnati 68 84 +8.32 -24.32
HOME # 6 Houston 69 56 -0.95 +13.95
AWAY # 3 Arizona 61 84 -11.82 -11.18
AWAY # 59 Arizona St. 60 70 +4.76 -14.76
HOME #100 Kansas St. 87 70 +16.60 0.942
Here is Kansas State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #302 UNC Greensboro 93 64 +17.70 +11.30
HOME #281 Bellarmine 98 71 +15.09 +11.91
HOME # 69 California 99 96 +0.18 +2.82
HOME # 55 Tulsa 84 83 -1.99 +2.99
NEUT # 98 Mississippi St. 98 77 -0.07 +21.07
NEUT # 12 Nebraska 85 86 -13.99 +12.99
AWAY # 41 Indiana 69 86 -11.44 -5.56
HOME #149 Bowling Green 66 82 +7.64 -23.64
HOME # 52 Seton Hall 67 78 -2.11 -8.89
HOME #365 Mississippi Valley St. 108 49 +30.59 +28.41
AWAY # 73 Creighton 83 76 -6.37 +13.37
HOME #283 South Dakota 106 76 +16.39 +13.61
HOME #350 Louisiana Monroe 94 85 +24.51 -15.51
HOME # 24 BYU 73 83 -7.65 -2.35
AWAY # 3 Arizona 76 101 -26.01 +1.01
AWAY # 59 Arizona St. 84 87 -8.04 +5.04
HOME # 53 UCF 73 82 -2.31 -6.69
AWAY # 68 Oklahoma St. 83 84 -7.10 +6.10
HOME #120 Utah 81 78 +5.54 -2.54
HOME # 20 Kansas 62 86 -9.60 -14.40
AWAY # 56 West Virginia 54 59 -8.03 +3.03
HOME # 8 Iowa St. 61 95 -12.43 -21.57
AWAY # 44 TCU 82 84 -10.56 +8.56
HOME # 42 Cincinnati 62 91 -4.49 -24.51
AWAY # 6 Houston 64 78 -20.70 +6.70
HOME # 49 Baylor 90 74 -2.56 +18.56
AWAY # 14 Texas Tech 72 100 -17.16 -10.84
AWAY # 64 Colorado 70 79 -7.37 -1.63
HOME # 44 TCU 68 77 -3.56 -5.44
HOME # 56 West Virginia 65 63 -1.03 +3.03
AWAY # 20 Kansas 70 87 -16.60 0.058
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