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Top 25 All Time WInningest Programs before the 2025 NCAA Tournament
3 months 1 week ago #33662
by HawkErrant
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
I know not all of you pay regular attention to the pinned threads, and most prefer not to comment in them to keep things as neat as possible, so here is a copy of the Top 25 ATWP as it stands before the start of the NCAA, NIT and new College Basketball Crown tournaments. Hope you enjoy it. As always, please let me know if you have questions or spot what seem like errors (they just might be, even though I try to be >cough<>cough< practically perfect in every way.
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• First, the Top 25 ATWP standings after the last weekend before the NCAA Tournament begins. Aside from #2 Kansas ceding one win (so far) from both front running UK and #3 UNC, the biggest thing of note is that both #6 Temple and #7 Syracuse, despite not having good seasons, reached the 2000 wins circle, Syracuse for the second time in its history. Next of note is that Purdue passed one-time blue blood and B1G rival Indiana to finish the regular season in 10th place. Next notable would be the revival of #9 St. John’s, as it gained 15 wins on cratering #8 Notre Dame to stand just 6 wins back from the Fighting Irish (so far). Finally, #15 through #19 BYU, Utah, Arizona, Western Kentucky and Villanova all reached the 1900 wins circle in AY2024-25.
• Second, it’s post season time, where big gains (or losses) can be made in the standings. See the codes next to the program names to see who's dancing in the NCAAT, NIT (no one in the Top 25 ATWP), or the new College Basketball Crown Tournament (CBCT link 1, CBCT link 2) - and who is not. (I am assuming the NCAA will include CBCT games in all participating programs official W-L records. If it turns out the NCAA will not, I will edit those program records as needed to agree with the official NCAA W-L records.)
• It has not been a great season for many of the Top 25 ATWP. Only 13 of the Top 25 made the NCAAT, with #3 UNC and #14 Texas squeaking in as 11 seeds playing in the First Four.
• Of the 12 Top 25 ATWP that did not make the NCAAT, despite contractual agreements between their respective conferences and the CBCT, WVU and Indiana declined both NIT and CBCT bids. Both programs were listed in the NCAA Selection Committee's First Four Out, along with Ohio St and Boise St.
• Top 25 ATWP Cincinnati, Utah and Villanova accepted CBCT bids.
• Twelve of the ATWP had sub .600 W-L records this season. All but one of them did not make the NCAAT, the sole exception being 11 seed Texas. Four of the Top 25 ATWP actually had losing records this season - Syracuse, Notre Dame, Washington and Penn.
ALL TIME WINNINGEST PROGRAMS D1 MENS BASKETBALL
Top 25 programs
ALL-TIME & ACADEMIC YEAR 2024-25 WON-LOST TOTALS
thru games played Sunday 2025-03-16LEGEND
CY: Current Academic Year
WB: Wins Behind #1
ΔKU: Current year delta compared to KU
NCAAC: NCAA Tournament Championships
POSTSEASON CODES FOLLOWING PROGRAM NAMES
$ NCAA Tournament 2025
¢ NIT 2025
+ College Basketball Crown Tournament
Ʃ No postseason play, finished for 2025
X lost in postseason, finished for 2025
NOTES
1. The table shows the official record for KANSAS, reflecting the 2023 NCAA IRP vacating of 15 wins from the KANSAS 2017-18 season for those 20 games in which retroactively declared ineligible Silvio De Sousa played.
2. The table shows the official NCAA record for Syracuse, which excludes the 101 wins the NCAA vacated in 2015. If those wins had not been vacated Syracuse would be #5 with over 2100 wins.
As always, please let me know if you have any questions or spot any errors, and thanks in advance!
AY2024-25 KU OBJECTIVES (Annotated 2025-02-09)
21/64: Win KU's 21st Big 12 title in 29 Big 12 seasons, and NCAA best 64th conference title in program history.
Not going to happen this AY. >Sigh<
12/29: Looking for KU's 12th Big 12 Tournament title, and 29th overall conference tournament title
(currently 11 Big 12 titles + 4 Big 8 postseason titles 1977-96 + 13 Big 6/7/8 Holiday Tournament titles 1947 to 1979).
The odds were right, no joy...
and
5/7: NCAA & total National Championships to go with their COVID-19 Season Final 2020 Consensus #1 ranking.*
To quote the great Willie Nelson, "Miracles occur in the strangest of places", and that's what it's going to take.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk
K
U!
*#1 Final 2020 Regular Season AP, Coaches, KenPom, Sagarin, NET, BPI, RPI & DPPI
link to pinned thread post
)• First, the Top 25 ATWP standings after the last weekend before the NCAA Tournament begins. Aside from #2 Kansas ceding one win (so far) from both front running UK and #3 UNC, the biggest thing of note is that both #6 Temple and #7 Syracuse, despite not having good seasons, reached the 2000 wins circle, Syracuse for the second time in its history. Next of note is that Purdue passed one-time blue blood and B1G rival Indiana to finish the regular season in 10th place. Next notable would be the revival of #9 St. John’s, as it gained 15 wins on cratering #8 Notre Dame to stand just 6 wins back from the Fighting Irish (so far). Finally, #15 through #19 BYU, Utah, Arizona, Western Kentucky and Villanova all reached the 1900 wins circle in AY2024-25.
• Second, it’s post season time, where big gains (or losses) can be made in the standings. See the codes next to the program names to see who's dancing in the NCAAT, NIT (no one in the Top 25 ATWP), or the new College Basketball Crown Tournament (CBCT link 1, CBCT link 2) - and who is not. (I am assuming the NCAA will include CBCT games in all participating programs official W-L records. If it turns out the NCAA will not, I will edit those program records as needed to agree with the official NCAA W-L records.)
• It has not been a great season for many of the Top 25 ATWP. Only 13 of the Top 25 made the NCAAT, with #3 UNC and #14 Texas squeaking in as 11 seeds playing in the First Four.
• Of the 12 Top 25 ATWP that did not make the NCAAT, despite contractual agreements between their respective conferences and the CBCT, WVU and Indiana declined both NIT and CBCT bids. Both programs were listed in the NCAA Selection Committee's First Four Out, along with Ohio St and Boise St.
• Top 25 ATWP Cincinnati, Utah and Villanova accepted CBCT bids.
• Twelve of the ATWP had sub .600 W-L records this season. All but one of them did not make the NCAAT, the sole exception being 11 seed Texas. Four of the Top 25 ATWP actually had losing records this season - Syracuse, Notre Dame, Washington and Penn.
ALL TIME WINNINGEST PROGRAMS D1 MENS BASKETBALL
Top 25 programs
ALL-TIME & ACADEMIC YEAR 2024-25 WON-LOST TOTALS
thru games played Sunday 2025-03-16
RANK PROGRAM WON LOST WIN% CYW CYL CYW% WB ΔKU NCAAC
1 Kentucky $ 2420 769 .759 22 11 .667 0 1 8
2 KANSAS $ 2414 908 .727 21 12 .636 6 na 4
3 N Carolina $ 2394 873 .733 22 13 .629 26 1 6
4 Duke $ 2331 932 .714 31 3 .912 89 10 5
5 UCLA $ 2024 915 .689 22 10 .688 396 1 11
6 Temple Ʃ 2010 1172 .632 17 15 .531 410 -4 0
7 Syracuse Ʃ 2007 995 .669 14 19 .424 413 -7 1
8 Notre Dame Ʃ 1978 1127 .637 15 18 .455 442 -6 0
9 St. John’s $ 1972 1102 .642 30 4 .882 448 9 0
10 Purdue $ 1951 1091 .641 22 11 .667 469 1 0
11 Indiana Ʃ 1950 1130 .633 19 13 .594 470 -2 5
12 Cincinnati + 1929 1094 .638 18 15 .545 491 -3 2
13 Illinois $ 1928 1073 .642 21 12 .636 492 0 0
14 Texas $ 1919 1154 .624 19 15 .559 501 -2 0
15 BYU $ 1916 1154 .624 24 9 .727 504 3 0
16 Utah + 1914 1100 .635 16 16 .500 506 -5 1
17 Arizona $ 1911 998 .657 22 12 .647 509 1 1
17 W Kentucky Ʃ 1911 1000 .656 17 15 .531 509 -4 0
19 Villanova + 1901 1003 .654 19 14 .576 519 -2 3
20 Washington Ʃ 1875 1286 .593 13 18 .419 545 -8 0
21 W Virginia Ʃ 1874 1188 .612 19 13 .594 546 -2 0
22 UConn $ 1860 1025 .645 23 10 .697 560 2 6
23 MichiganSt $ 1858 1162 .615 27 6 .818 562 6 2
24 Penn Ʃ 1854 1189 .609 8 19 .296 566 -13 0
25 Princeton Ʃ 1850 1135 .620 19 11 .633 570 -2 0
CY: Current Academic Year
WB: Wins Behind #1
ΔKU: Current year delta compared to KU
NCAAC: NCAA Tournament Championships
POSTSEASON CODES FOLLOWING PROGRAM NAMES
$ NCAA Tournament 2025
¢ NIT 2025
+ College Basketball Crown Tournament
Ʃ No postseason play, finished for 2025
X lost in postseason, finished for 2025
NOTES
1. The table shows the official record for KANSAS, reflecting the 2023 NCAA IRP vacating of 15 wins from the KANSAS 2017-18 season for those 20 games in which retroactively declared ineligible Silvio De Sousa played.
2. The table shows the official NCAA record for Syracuse, which excludes the 101 wins the NCAA vacated in 2015. If those wins had not been vacated Syracuse would be #5 with over 2100 wins.
As always, please let me know if you have any questions or spot any errors, and thanks in advance!
AY2024-25 KU OBJECTIVES (Annotated 2025-02-09)
21/64: Win KU's 21st Big 12 title in 29 Big 12 seasons, and NCAA best 64th conference title in program history.
Not going to happen this AY. >Sigh<
12/29: Looking for KU's 12th Big 12 Tournament title, and 29th overall conference tournament title
(currently 11 Big 12 titles + 4 Big 8 postseason titles 1977-96 + 13 Big 6/7/8 Holiday Tournament titles 1947 to 1979).
The odds were right, no joy...
and
5/7: NCAA & total National Championships to go with their COVID-19 Season Final 2020 Consensus #1 ranking.*
To quote the great Willie Nelson, "Miracles occur in the strangest of places", and that's what it's going to take.
*#1 Final 2020 Regular Season AP, Coaches, KenPom, Sagarin, NET, BPI, RPI & DPPI
link to pinned thread post
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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