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Self’s KU record update
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1 year 1 month ago #30531
by HawkErrant
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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IMO KU initially did the right thing in saying they would not count for/against Self, but they should have said the games would count for Norm Roberts, and not as "program" wins.
It would be different if they had started by saying that win or lose those games would still be counted against Self, similar to as if he had been out sick for that period.* It was still clearly his team and his staff who developed them functioning in his absence, and he was coming back for the rest of the season after that suspension. And if there had been losses (i.e., the Duke game, which thankfully was a W), those would have counted against his record, too.
However, KU has a history of not counting games missed as for the absent HC.
Best example critics can point to -- the 1946-47 season, when upon physician's directive, Doc Allen temporarily stepped down and Howard Engelman stepped up to coach the team for the last 14 games of that season.
Here are the current and historical records if they gave Roberts the 4 wins.
One could argue in that case versus the current case Allen was not coming back for that season and so it was appropriate to recognize Engleman's efforts, whereas Self was clearly still fully in charge of the program.
Shaky argument, though, given KU's initial stance. An utterly stupid thing to do, IMO. Give credit where due.
*Diagnosis: NCAAitis, a pretty nasty case, too...
IMO KU initially did the right thing in saying they would not count for/against Self, but they should have said the games would count for Norm Roberts, and not as "program" wins.
It would be different if they had started by saying that win or lose those games would still be counted against Self, similar to as if he had been out sick for that period.* It was still clearly his team and his staff who developed them functioning in his absence, and he was coming back for the rest of the season after that suspension. And if there had been losses (i.e., the Duke game, which thankfully was a W), those would have counted against his record, too.
However, KU has a history of not counting games missed as for the absent HC.
Best example critics can point to -- the 1946-47 season, when upon physician's directive, Doc Allen temporarily stepped down and Howard Engelman stepped up to coach the team for the last 14 games of that season.
Here are the current and historical records if they gave Roberts the 4 wins.
One could argue in that case versus the current case Allen was not coming back for that season and so it was appropriate to recognize Engleman's efforts, whereas Self was clearly still fully in charge of the program.
Shaky argument, though, given KU's initial stance. An utterly stupid thing to do, IMO. Give credit where due.
*Diagnosis: NCAAitis, a pretty nasty case, too...
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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