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Bill Self W-L Record thru 2022-02-06 - a look at the Best of the Best
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2 years 3 months ago #28339
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
A little something for you to heighten (if possible) your appreciation of Bill Self, Jr., college basketball coach extraordinaire...
Below are the NCAA official career W-L records for the Top 25 Division 1 Men's Basketball Head Coaches as of the completion of yesterday's competitions.
Note that Bill is the only person on the list with under 30 years as a head coach.
And for those interested in the best by W-L%, Bill -- despite his rough start at Oral Roberts (he was 16-38 his first two years at ORU) -- is currently in 10th place, ahead of the likes of Ferret Face and Squid.
Mark Few is the current holder of the title Best Active Coach to Never Win an NCAA Championship.
He does, however, come in at #1 for career W-L%, 10 years or more at D-1.
And I just learned this today -- did anyone else here know it? --
Bill Self and Mark Few were born on the exact same day in 1962, a mere 1,540 miles separating their arrival.
One last thing -- I do not recall noting this before -- with his first W of this season earning him W #730 , Bill passed Norm ("SIT DOWN, NORM!") Stewart on the Career Wins list.
It just felt good to note that.
Below are the NCAA official career W-L records for the Top 25 Division 1 Men's Basketball Head Coaches as of the completion of yesterday's competitions.
Note that Bill is the only person on the list with under 30 years as a head coach.
NCAA MEN’S BASKETBALL DIVISION I HEAD COACHES WINS-LOSSES
https://stats.ncaa.org/head_coaches
02/06/22 = date last updated
Filtered by:
Men’s Basketball
Division 1
Program
Rank Person Seasons (Active Coach) Wins Losses Ties WL %
1 Mike Krzyzewski 47 Duke 1189 364 0 0.766
2 Jim Boeheim 46 Syracuse 994 420 0 0.703
3 Jim Calhoun 44 Saint Joseph (CT) 920 397 0 0.699
4 Bob Huggins 40 West Virginia 913 391 0 0.700
5 Roy Williams 33 903 264 0 0.774
6 Bob Knight 42 902 371 0 0.709
7 Dean Smith 36 879 254 0 0.776
8 Adolph Rupp 41 876 190 0 0.822
9 Jim Phelan 49 830 524 0 0.613
10 RollieMassimino 41 816 462 0 0.638
11 Cliff Ellis 44 Coastal Carolina 810 536 0 0.602
12 Eddie Sutton 37 806 326 0 0.712
13 Rick Byrd 38 805 403 0 0.666
14 Lefty Driesell 41 786 394 0 0.666
15 Lute Olson 34 781 279 0 0.737
16 Lou Henson 41 779 412 0 0.654
17 John Calipari 30 Kentucky 761 235 0 0.764
18 Ed Diddle 42 759 302 0 0.715
19 Henry Iba 41 755 340 0 0.689
20 John Beilein 37 754 425 0 0.640
21 Bill Self 29 Kansas 748 226 0 0.768
22 Bo Ryan 32 747 233 0 0.762
23 Phog Allen 50 746 264 0 0.739
24 Rick Barnes 35 Tennessee 743 393 0 0.654
25 John Chaney 34 741 312 0 0.704And for those interested in the best by W-L%, Bill -- despite his rough start at Oral Roberts (he was 16-38 his first two years at ORU) -- is currently in 10th place, ahead of the likes of Ferret Face and Squid.
NCAA MEN’S BASKETBALL DIVISION I HEAD COACHES WINS-LOSSES
https://stats.ncaa.org/head_coaches
02/06/22 = date last updated
Filtered by:
Men’s Basketball
Division 1
Program
Rank Person Seasons (Active Coach) Wins Losses Ties WL %
1 Mark Few 23 Gonzaga 649 127 0 0.836
2 Clair Bee 21 412 88 0 0.824
3 Adolph Rupp 41 876 190 0 0.822
4 John Wooden 29 664 162 0 0.804
5 John Kresse 23 560 143 0 0.797
6 Jerry Tarkanian 31 729 201 0 0.784
7 Francis Schmidt 17 258 72 0 0.782
8 Dean Smith 36 879 254 0 0.776
9 Roy Williams 33 903 264 0 0.774
10 Bill Self 29 Kansas 748 226 0 0.768
11 Mike Krzyzewski 47 Duke 1189 364 0 0.766
12 Jack Ramsay 11 231 71 0 0.765
13 John Calipari 30 Kentucky 761 235 0 0.764
14 Frank M. Keaney 28 401 124 0 0.764
15 George Keogan 27 414 127 3 0.764Mark Few is the current holder of the title Best Active Coach to Never Win an NCAA Championship.
He does, however, come in at #1 for career W-L%, 10 years or more at D-1.
And I just learned this today -- did anyone else here know it? --
Bill Self and Mark Few were born on the exact same day in 1962, a mere 1,540 miles separating their arrival.
One last thing -- I do not recall noting this before -- with his first W of this season earning him W #730 , Bill passed Norm ("SIT DOWN, NORM!") Stewart on the Career Wins list.
It just felt good to note that.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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2 years 3 months ago #28341
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
I should note that the NCAA database has not been updated to reflect Jim Calhoun retiring back in November 2021.
Calhoun retires from St, Joseph
Also wanted to point out in both lists:
Self
Williams
Rupp
The Traitor Smith
and all of them in the Top 10 in W-L%
And of significance to Bill (ignore how much he pooh-poohs it) and all the old Big 6/7/8 fans, especially those affiliated with the Cowboys -- with 8 more wins Self will pass his one time mentor and fellow Hall of Famer Coach Henry Iba.
Calhoun retires from St, Joseph
Also wanted to point out in both lists:
Self
Williams
Rupp
The Traitor Smith
and all of them in the Top 10 in W-L%
And of significance to Bill (ignore how much he pooh-poohs it) and all the old Big 6/7/8 fans, especially those affiliated with the Cowboys -- with 8 more wins Self will pass his one time mentor and fellow Hall of Famer Coach Henry Iba.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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2 years 3 months ago #28370
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Good stuff, HE. Doing some (very) quick math, it looks like HCBS will move into the top 15 on the all time wins list by the end of next season.
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2 years 3 months ago #28371
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I think what impresses me most about HCBS win loss % is he is consistently doing it against one of the toughest schedules in the country.
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2 years 3 months ago #28372
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I believe we would find the same held true for Roy & TTS as well — which should not surprise us since we’ve followed them throughout their storied careers.
Not sure if the same can be said about Rupp?
Corpus, do you have the data to determine how tough the Rupp UK schedules were back then? TIA!
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
hairyhawk wrote: I think what impresses me most about HCBS win loss % is he is consistently doing it against one of the toughest schedules in the country.
I believe we would find the same held true for Roy & TTS as well — which should not surprise us since we’ve followed them throughout their storied careers.
Not sure if the same can be said about Rupp?
Corpus, do you have the data to determine how tough the Rupp UK schedules were back then? TIA!
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2 years 3 months ago #28374
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Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
Don't have data before 1950. Sorry.
Rupp's Avg, SOS rank is 53rd with an average number of NCAA teams at 184.
Self's avg SOS rank is 13th with an average No. NCAA Div 1 teams of 345
Rupp's Avg, SOS rank is 53rd with an average number of NCAA teams at 184.
Self's avg SOS rank is 13th with an average No. NCAA Div 1 teams of 345
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Thanks, Corpus!
Should have asked you to run Roy and Smith as well. Apologies for the followup that should have been part of the original question. And TIA again!
Should have asked you to run Roy and Smith as well. Apologies for the followup that should have been part of the original question. And TIA again!
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2 years 3 months ago #28376
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Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
The Rank on the far right column is the Rank of average SOS for the years of that coach. For instance, from 2004-2022 Kansas has the No. 1 toughest SOS and from 1931-1972 Kentucky had the 54th toughest SOS. Thought that was sort of what you were looking for. Just in case you are interested, the UNC SOS in 2022 has lowered their average to 13.53 vs. KU at 13.05. That is why Self is 1st from 2004 through 2022 and Williams was 1st from 2004 through 2021.
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Just a note that HCBS is currently at #21 on the All-Times Wins list, and hopefully will crack the Top 20 before the end of the regular season. (Keeping my fingers crossed for KU helping him pass Coach Iba for #19 by then!)
18. 759 Ed Diddle
19. 755 Henry Iba
20. 754 John Beilein
21. 750 Bill Self
18. 759 Ed Diddle
19. 755 Henry Iba
20. 754 John Beilein
21. 750 Bill Self
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