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2 years 5 months ago #27587 by asteroid
The asteroid is back to perihelion!

Sagarin's starting ratings are finally out, and Kansas opens in the #2 spot
behind Gonzaga, a spot higher than in the preseason AP poll.  The Big 12
is #2 among conferences behind the Big Ten, with all ten conference members
in the top tier (top third) of Division I, with four teams in the Top 25.

  #2 Kansas
  #5 Baylor
 #10 Texas
 #16 Texas Tech
 #29 West Virginia
 #39 Oklahoma State
 #48 Oklahoma
 #77 TCU
 #97 Kansas State
#117 Iowa State

My understanding is that Okalhoma State is ineligible to play in the
Big 12 Tournament, so the Wednesday session will feature just one game.
If that game features Kansas State and Iowa State, the game may still be
fairly well attended.

Only 12 non-conference games this season, to go with the usual 18 conference
games.  Out of those 30 games, Kansas is favored in 29 of them.  The sole
projected loss is the game in Waco, though the game is Austin is close to
being a toss-up.  Now comes the confusing part.  If Kansas is projected to
lose only one game, why is the projected record 25 and 5?  This question
seems to come up every season, so let's nip it in the bud right off the bat.
If two teams play each other 100 times on a neutral court, the better team
will be projected to win every game, but do you really expect the final
record to be 100 and 0?  You shouldn't, because the probability of winning
each individual game isn't 100 percent.  Indeed, if the two teams are
nearly equal, such that the probability of the better team winning is just
51 percent, then the final record ought to be something like 51 and 49,
not 100 and 0.  So the projected record is really the sum of the individual
game probabilities of winning.  Having said that, projecting this season's
regular season record is complicated by the two opponents that have not yet
been determined.  We know that we'll open the ESPN Invitational with North
Texas, but the second opponent will be either Dayton or Miami.  Dayton is
the higher ranked of the two, so the projected record assumes that Dayton
will be the opponent.  The third and final game of the Invitational could
come against Alabama, Drake, Belmont, or Iona, with the Crimson Tide being
the most likely opponent, so again the projected record assume that Alabama
will be the opponent.  If some team other than Dayton and Alabama winds up
facing Kansas, the projected number of wins would be slightly higher.

The ugly game of the season comes next week against Tarleton State, which
could be a 30-point win, with a 99.7 percent probability of winning.  Every
other opponent is in the top half the Sagarin ratings, though UTEP could
drop into the bottom half if they don't start the season as projected.

The projected conference record is 14 and 4, though the ratings will be a
lot more robust before the conference slate beings.

As usual, the Sagarin starting ratings are heavily biased by last season,
so the current projections should be taken with as many grains of salt as
you feel is warranted.  The teams won't be well-connected until around
mid-December, so the ratings (and projected record) will show considerable
volatility for the first several weeks of the season.

First up is the Champions Classic in Madison Square Garden against
Michigan State.  Although the Spartans didn't make the AP Top 25, they
are Sagarin's #20 team.  Play 100 times, and Kansas is projected to win
69 of them by an average of 5.45 points, so expect it to be a two-possession
affair.

SITE   OPPONENT                         SCORE    PREDIC    ERROR    PROB.
----   -----------------------------   -------   ------    -----    -----
NEUT   # 20 Michigan State                        +5.45             0.690
HOME   #275 Tarleton State                       +29.68             0.997
HOME   #153 Stony Brook-NY                       +22.19             0.978
NEUT   #122 North Texas                          +16.62             0.935
NEUT   # 78 Dayton                               +12.35             0.869
NEUT   # 92 Miami-Florida                        +13.40          or 0.888
NEUT   # 17 Alabama                               +5.06             0.677
NEUT   # 75 Drake                                +11.83          or 0.859
NEUT   #106 Belmont                              +14.88          or 0.912
NEUT   #174 Iona College                         +20.81          or 0.971
AWAY   # 51 St. John's                            +5.86             0.703
HOME   #179 UTEP                                 +24.23             0.986
HOME   # 65 Missouri                             +14.14             0.901
HOME   #132 Stephen F. Austin                    +20.72             0.970
AWAY   # 38 Colorado                              +4.50             0.659
HOME   #115 Harvard                              +19.23             0.960
HOME   # 77 TCU                                  +15.38             0.919
AWAY   # 39 Oklahoma State                        +4.63             0.663
AWAY   # 16 Texas Tech                            +1.68             0.561
HOME   #117 Iowa State                           +19.41             0.961
HOME   # 29 West Virginia                         +9.92             0.816
AWAY   # 48 Oklahoma                              +5.52             0.692
AWAY   # 97 Kansas State                         +10.89             0.839
HOME   # 16 Texas Tech                            +8.12             0.770
HOME   # 13 Kentucky                              +7.40             0.749
AWAY   #117 Iowa State                           +12.97             0.881
HOME   #  5 Baylor                                +5.39             0.688
AWAY   # 10 Texas                                 +0.57             0.521
HOME   # 48 Oklahoma                             +11.96             0.862
HOME   # 39 Oklahoma State                       +11.07             0.843
AWAY   # 29 West Virginia                         +3.48             0.624
HOME   # 97 Kansas State                         +17.33             0.942
AWAY   #  5 Baylor                                -1.05             0.462
AWAY   # 77 TCU                                   +8.94             0.792
HOME   # 10 Texas                                 +7.01             0.738

                                                   overall         24.647
                                                   conference      14.323
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2 years 5 months ago #27588 by HawkErrant
Welcome back to the rockchalksphere, asteroid!
Great to see you reflecting in the KU firmament again!

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2 years 5 months ago - 2 years 5 months ago #27589 by CorpusJayhawk
Universal order has been restored. Asteroid has returned to the galaxy. But I noticed one error. We have our normal 13 non-conference games scheduled. The first 12 games are all non-con and then Kentucky in the Big 12/SEC challenge. Welcome back.

p.s. the DPPI will be up and running after every team has played 3 games. Last season I attempted to do a pro forma and it was unsatisfying. DPPI is 100% designed as a predictive model with only the necessary retrodiction analysis. Teams are not stochastically mathematically connected until everyone has played around 10 games. But my experience is that three games completed is absolute minimum to get any sort of quasi reasonable ranking.

Don't worry about the mules, just load the wagon!!
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2 years 5 months ago #27590 by asteroid
Well, let's chalk that mistake up to lack of sleep. Been working nights, as we're currently in the dark of the Moon. Yes, I counted the 12 non-conference games before conference play commenced, and totally forgot about the SEC Challenge game being embedded in the conference season. Because I took the total probabilities and subtracted just the ESPN Invitational duplicates, the 24.6 projected wins is unaffected by the mistake, whereas the projected record would be 25 and 6 overall, and still 14 and 4 conference.

Chris Beard is the real deal, so I doubt the Longhorn hoopsters will mirror their gridiron counterparts by starting the season highly ranked, only to sink into obscurity.(tied for sixth through ninth in the conference, with a losing record), but it would sure feel good if it did happen to the future former conference member.
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2 years 5 months ago #27591 by CorpusJayhawk
Chris Beard is indeed the real deal. His move to Texas is scary. But we will only have a year or two to deal with him. Porter Moser, OTOH, I have ranked fairly low in my DPPI ranking of coaches. So I am far less optimistic about OU.

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2 years 5 months ago #27597 by NotOstertag
Thanks Asteroid. I have trouble believing any projections at this point since nobody has officially played yet. Talk to me in a month when we know if "looks good on paper" looks the same on the hardwood. Like that old cliche that no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy...or as that great orator Mike Tyson once said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

Nevertheless, on paper we're likely to have a pretty fun season and I will enjoy the projections' evolution as we move ahead.

I'm mostly psyched that this season will be very close to "normal": full stadiums, crowd noise, and few cancellations. I know I mentioned it last year, but KU was probably one of the programs most impacted by not having fans in the seats. Allen Fieldhouse with 16,300 people in it is a much tougher place to play than if there are only 16 people there.

Anyways, happy the season is starting up and happy to be back among friends here at the board.

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2 years 5 months ago #27600 by asteroid
Sagarin's home court advantage last season was a paltry 2 points. He's got it at 3.22 points to start this season. That's the effect of fans in the stands, on average over all of Division I.

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2 years 5 months ago #27604 by NotOstertag
3.22 as an average includes places that are 80% empty most nights. Based on that, I'd say AFH is probably at least 5 points (maybe more).

It would be cool to see each school's individual number. AFH would certainly be among the top venues on the list.

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