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predictions for Oklahoma State game
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4 years 1 month ago #25235
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"Things that are inevitable: death, taxes, and Kansas winning the Big 12."
--Doug Gottlieb
Another relatively early tip, exacerbated by Daylight Savings Time,
which Hawaii does NOT observe, so it's an hour earlier than it would
have been a couple weeks ago if held at the same time in Kansas City.
Grr.
The more I write, the closer to tip it'll be to get this posted, so
I'll write less.
Sagarin Predictor has Kansas by 11.1 points. The Jayhawks have played
below expectation by more than that only once in 30 Division I games,
and by now you know which game that was. Oklahoma State is the Big 12's
most inconsistent team. The Cowboys have played above expectation by
more than 11.1 points in seven games out of 32 played. That's 8 cases
out of 62 Division I games, corresponding to a 13 percent probability
of Kansas losing the game, which is generally consistent with the
various predictions in the table below.
Oklahoma State started the conference season projected to win 9 games.
The Cowboys opened weakly, and after Round 8, the projection had
shrunk to just 4 wins. They ended with 7 wins, not counting yesterday's
tournament game, which demonstrates their positive trend. Indeed, the
most pessimistic of the various prognostications comes from Sagarin's
Recent Games rating, which favors Kansas by only 7.9 points. Colley
is the most optimistic at 18.6 points, followed by the BPI at 17.3
points, then Massey at 17 points, and Sagarin Eigenvector at 16.3 points.
Recall that the BPI won season honors for best prognostications, edging
out Massey.
Cheer on the Jayhawks from your living rooms. Maybe with a collective
effort, they'll hear us through our televisions. Or not. It's going
to be surreal.
Greenfield Stats Comparison
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Offensive Stats OSU KU Defensive Stats OSU KU
Points/Game 67.6 74.0 Opp Points/Game 66.1 60.6
Avg Score Margin +1.5 +13.3 Opp Effective FG % 46.7 43.7
Assists/Game 11.8 13.8 Off Rebounds/Gm 8.9 9.5
Total Rebounds/Gm 35.7 38.8 Def Rebounds/Gm 24.1 26.6
Effective FG % 47.8 53.7 Blocks/Game 3.8 4.7
Off Rebound % 27.9 31.5 Steals/Game 6.8 7.5
FTA/FGA 0.352 0.358 Personal Fouls/Gm 17.9 14.6
Turnover % 16.9 16.2
Kansas leads in every category.
Common Opponents
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There are nine common opponents, Kansas City plus the eight Big 12
conference members. I'll compare only the home-home and away-away
permutations for the conference regular season games, but both the
neutral-home and neutral-away scores for yesterday's tournament game,
which gives us twenty one scores to compare:
KU +41 KC neutral (+41 neutral)
OSU +18 KC at home (+14 neutral)
KU +27 OSU neutral (+27 neutral)
KU +4 TTU on road ( +8 neutral) KU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral)
OSU -35 TTU on road (-31 neutral) OSU +3 TTU at home ( -1 neutral)
KU +39 OSU neutral (+39 neutral) KU 0 OSU neutral ( 0 neutral)
KU +7 WVU at home ( +3 neutral) KU +9 WVU on road (+13 neutral)
OSU -14 WVU at home (-18 neutral) OSU -18 WVU on road (-14 neutral)
KU +21 OSU neutral (+21 neutral) KU +27 OSU neutral (+27 neutral)
KU +14 TCU on road (+18 neutral) KU +9 TCU at home ( +5 neutral)
OSU -12 TCU on road ( -8 neutral) OSU +15 TCU at home (+11 neutral)
KU +26 OSU neutral (+26 neutral) KU -6 OSU neutral ( -6 neutral)
KU +11 UT at home ( +7 neutral) KU +9 UT on road (+13 neutral)
OSU -12 UT at home (-16 neutral) OSU +22 UT on road (+26 neutral)
KU +23 OSU neutral (+23 neutral) KU -13 OSU neutral (-13 neutral)
KU -12 BU at home (-16 neutral) KU +3 BU on road ( +7 neutral)
OSU -7 BU at home (-11 neutral) OSU -8 BU on road ( -4 neutral)
KU -5 OSU neutral ( -5 neutral) KU +11 OSU on road (+11 neutral)
KU +26 ISU on road (+30 neutral) KU +20 ISU at home (+16 neutral)
OSU -7 ISU on road ( -3 neutral) OSU +12 ISU at home ( +8 neutral)
KU +33 OSU neutral (+33 neutral) KU +8 OSU neutral ( +8 neutral)
KU +14 OU on road (+18 neutral) KU +17 OU at home (+13 neutral)
OSU -13 OU on road ( -9 neutral) OSU +17 OU at home (+13 neutral)
KU +27 OSU neutral (+27 neutral) KU 0 OSU neutral ( 0 neutral)
KU +4 KSU on road ( +8 neutral) KU +21 KSU at home (+17 neutral)
OSU +5 KSU on road ( +9 neutral) OSU +6 KSU at home ( +2 neutral)
KU -1 OSU neutral ( -1 neutral) KU +15 OSU neutral (+15 neutral)
KU +15 OSU on road (+19 neutral) KU +25 OSU at home (+21 neutral)
KU +19 OSU neutral (+19 neutral) KU +21 OSU neutral (+21 neutral)
KU +26 ISU on road (+30 neutral) KU +20 ISU at home (+16 neutral)
OSU +1 ISU neutral ( +1 neutral) OSU +1 ISU neutral ( +1 neutral)
KU +29 OSU neutral (+29 neutral) KU +15 OSU neutral (+15 neutral)
Fifteen of the comparisons favor Kansas, while four favor Oklahoma State,
and the remaining two are a wash. The average favors Kansas by 15.0 points,
with a scatter of 14.5 points.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Isaac Likekele (guard)
most points Cameron McGriff (forward)
most rebounds Cameron McGriff (forward)
most assists Isaac Likekele (guard)
most steals Isaac Likekele (guard)
most blocks Yor Anei (forward)
most turnovers Isaac Likekele (guard)
most fouls Yor Anei (forward)
Guard Chris Harris Jr. is out with a knee injury. He's eighth in minutes
played. Guard Marcus Watson has been suspended indefinitely and hasn't
contributed this season.
Build up a big enough lead, and Silvio may see his first action since the
altercation.
28-3 18-14
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Oklahoma State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
Sagarin Overall +10.37 70 59 82 # 1 # 5 # 36 # 20
Sagarin Predictor +11.05 70 59 82.3 # 2 # 5 # 54 # 20
Sagarin Golden Mean +11.20 70 59 # 1 # 5 # 48 # 20
Sagarin Recent Games +7.91 68 60 # 1 # 5 # 13 # 20
Sagarin Eigenvector +16.32 72 56 90
Massey +17.00 74 57 94 # 1 # 1 # 46 # 18
Pomeroy +11.88 71 59 # 1 # 2 # 53 # 14
Greenfield +11.50 72 60.5 # 1 # 1 # 53 # 23
Dunkel +15.50 77 61 # 2 # 70
Vegas (via Dunkel) +11.00 72 61
Dolphin Predictive +11.00 72 61 84.3 # 1 # 1 # 50 # 53
Real Time +12.00 71 59 70.7 # 1 # 1 # 83 # 31
Seven Overtimes +14.00 74 60 87 # 1 # 7 #104 # 6
DPPI . # 1 # 1 # 27 # 66
ESPN BPI +17.30 93.8 # 1 # 11 # 60 # 19
Whitlock +12.97 # 1 # 7 # 52 # 9
Colley Matrix +18.61 # 1 # 1 # 57 # 13
NCAA NET # 2 # 64
LRMC # 2 # 1 # 65 # 16
common opponents +15.05
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +13.21 71.8 59.3
scatter 2.96 2.3 1.5
Here is Kansas' season, with future opponents assuming the higher seed:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 1 Duke 66 68 -0.01 -1.99
HOME # 94 NC Greensboro 74 62 +18.77 -6.77
HOME #202 Monmouth-NJ 112 57 +27.15 +27.85
HOME # 66 East Tennessee State(ETS 75 63 +16.06 -4.06
Div2 Chaminade 93 63
NEUT # 27 BYU 71 56 +7.75 +7.25
NEUT # 16 Dayton 90 84 +6.45 -0.45
HOME # 39 Colorado 72 58 +12.84 +1.16
HOME #259 Milwaukee 95 68 +30.54 -3.54
NEUT #226 Kansas City(UMKC) 98 57 +25.35 +15.65
AWAY # 18 Villanova 55 56 +3.33 -4.33
AWAY # 62 Stanford 72 56 +9.17 +6.83
HOME # 8 West Virginia 60 53 +8.69 -1.69
AWAY # 65 Iowa State 79 53 +9.47 +16.53
HOME # 5 Baylor 55 67 +7.16 -19.16
AWAY # 44 Oklahoma 66 52 +6.62 +7.38
AWAY # 51 Texas 66 57 +7.55 +1.45
HOME # 72 Kansas State 81 60 +17.03 +3.97
HOME # 49 Tennessee 74 68 +13.90 -7.90
AWAY # 54 Oklahoma State 65 50 +7.82 +7.18
HOME # 19 Texas Tech 78 75 +9.97 -6.97
HOME # 51 Texas 69 58 +14.01 -3.01
AWAY # 68 TCU 60 46 +9.83 +4.17
AWAY # 8 West Virginia 58 49 +2.23 +6.77
HOME # 44 Oklahoma 87 70 +13.08 +3.92
HOME # 65 Iowa State 91 71 +15.93 +4.07
AWAY # 5 Baylor 64 61 +0.70 +2.30
HOME # 54 Oklahoma State 83 58 +14.28 +10.72
AWAY # 72 Kansas State 62 58 +10.57 -6.57
HOME # 68 TCU 75 66 +16.29 -7.29
AWAY # 19 Texas Tech 66 62 +3.51 +0.49
NEUT # 54 Oklahoma State +11.05 0.823
NEUT # 51 Texas +10.78 0.837
NEUT # 5 Baylor +3.93 0.684
Here is Oklahoma State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #134 Oral Roberts 80 75 +11.21 -6.21
HOME #226 Kansas City(UMKC) 69 51 +17.53 +0.47
AWAY #150 College of Charleston 73 54 +5.72 +13.28
HOME # 82 Yale 64 57 +6.53 +0.47
HOME #224 Western Michigan 70 63 +17.42 -10.42
NEUT # 52 Syracuse 86 72 -0.19 +14.19
NEUT # 79 Mississippi 78 37 +3.16 +37.84
HOME # 69 Georgetown 74 81 +5.37 -12.37
HOME # 35 Wichita State 61 80 +1.40 -20.40
AWAY # 20 Houston 61 55 -7.45 +13.45
NEUT # 29 Minnesota 66 86 -2.76 -17.24
HOME #338 SE Louisiana 82 31 +26.64 +24.36
AWAY # 19 Texas Tech 50 85 -7.54 -27.46
HOME # 8 West Virginia 41 55 -2.36 -11.64
AWAY # 68 TCU 40 52 -1.22 -10.78
HOME # 51 Texas 64 76 +2.96 -14.96
HOME # 5 Baylor 68 75 -3.89 -3.11
AWAY # 65 Iowa State 82 89 -1.58 -5.42
AWAY #108 Texas A&M 73 62 +2.63 +8.37
HOME # 2 Kansas 50 65 -7.82 -7.18
AWAY # 44 Oklahoma 69 82 -4.43 -8.57
HOME # 68 TCU 72 57 +5.24 +9.76
AWAY # 5 Baylor 70 78 -10.35 +2.35
AWAY # 72 Kansas State 64 59 -0.48 +5.48
HOME # 19 Texas Tech 73 70 -1.08 +4.08
AWAY # 8 West Virginia 47 65 -8.82 -9.18
HOME # 44 Oklahoma 83 66 +2.03 +14.97
AWAY # 2 Kansas 58 83 -14.28 -10.72
HOME # 65 Iowa State 73 61 +4.88 +7.12
HOME # 72 Kansas State 69 63 +5.98 +0.02
AWAY # 51 Texas 81 59 -3.50 +25.50
NEUT # 65 Iowa State 72 71 +1.65 -0.65
NEUT # 2 Kansas -11.05 0.177
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4 years 1 month ago #25252
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Ditto, man, just ditto...konza63 wrote:
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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