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- Illhawk
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Now we have finished an unsatisfying 10 loss season and I am afraid it might get worse. The NCAA might be gutless with some programs but they consider Kansas big enough to feel good about slapping , but vulnerable enough to use as a whipping boy. The bad news re Silvio in February seems the start.
Over the years a bunch of loose ends regarding high profile recruits ends never got resolved. Cliff, Billy just left.
I keep wondering why we sink so much into getting the types of player. I can't recall a one n done dominating a winning Regional Final. The high profile one year players HCBS gets don't do much in the NCAA.
My favorite players almost all stuck around three years Paul, T Rob, Mario, Brandon, the Twins. Instead of cutting corners to get a kid who barely unpacks the focus should be on 2-3 year types. Eventual pros that will be around. The good news is that we have at least three of those types in the current freshmen class.
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The trick is to keep the overlaps in sync so you always have fresh blood as well as those becoming seasoned upperclassmen. Basically to remain competitive at an elite level each year.
Between injuries (Embiid and Dok foremost in mind), ineligibility issues, and offcourt drama, we have not had great luck with those types.
Self said something telling the other day, though. That he needed to bring in a couple guys with talent to take over games in ways coaches can’t teach. Maybe that’s a self-admission that his coaching alone isn’t enough; you have to go for some studs as well. And sometimes the studs become duds.
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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Recruiting today is tough. I do think we get a good shot at most people and I do think we have the luxury to not go after obvious trouble cases. I also think that when you're going after top talent, you're competing with all kinds of characters, some of which will corrupt a kid.
I'm less worried about how this season worked out. Dok's injury was unanticipated and could happen to any player at any time. I've never been a Vick fan and wasn't thrilled he was returning. Not that this is an "I told you so" thing, but I think any reasonable observer recognized that welcoming him back was a calculated risk.
Over the past 15 years, we've also gotten lucky. There have been several times where the streak was on the brink, but other teams knocked themselves out and we prevailed. Part of the streak is about getting lucky on near misses. Eventually, luck goes the other way. While I'm bummed it's over, I'm happy that we got past UCLA before it happened.
Finally, I've evolved as a sports fan in the past 20 years. 15 years ago, I would have said that KU was clean as a whistle and that we'd never bend any rules. Now I've evolved my thinking to believe that the rules are routinely bent if not totally broke, but programs like ours insulate themselves and outsource the dirty work to 3rd parties with no connection to the school. Some recent cases:
>Cliff Alexander: program is 'clean' because there's no way to know that Cliff's mom was leveraging Cliff's future earnings to get a loan.
>Preston: he may have been driving a car that he nor his family had the means to pay for, but I guarantee that Bill Self nor anybody connected to KU's name was on the title of that car. How could we possibly know that some random person was buying cars for people?
>Silvio: the school knew nothing. Silvio knew nothing. A legal guardian was wheeling and dealing behind everyone's back.
In general, therefore, my blind and rabid fandom has been toned down. Kansas Basketball is still my favorite, I'll still wear all my KU gear around proudly and fly my flag. The difference now is that I've accepted it for what it is: big business entertainment that keeps me connected to a community that was a huge part of my life for 4 years.
"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
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I could probably do with the serenity prayer mantra......I’m trying VERY HARD on a number of fronts, including the NCAA specter hanging over KU, to not dwell on things I cannot control.
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I have truly missed your posts all season, I’m glad your commitments allow you to be with us again.
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It's been a bit of a tough year. My older brother had quadruple bypass surgery (9 years older than me, but still scary for all of us). My beloved Mom back in KS beat a stroke, breast cancer, and lung cancer (all in the span of 8 months), but then they found a lump in the lymph node area around her aorta. She's our rock (my father passed in '96), so that's been tough - but she's so far weathering it (they can't do radiation due to proximity to the aorta and she refuses to do extensive chemo at her age). And lastly, my "second mom" (my Aunt) who, with my Uncle many years ago, put up a young KU graduate in her home for 2 years so he could pursue a degree in global affairs in DC, has rapidly deteriorated from a combination of cancer and falls that damaged her cognitive skills.
Add to that that I've been neck-deep in the launch of a cool yet exhausting startup - with a team that grew from myself to 4 (and will soon be more) in a matter of months just as the season was getting underway - and, well, it minimized my time on the beloved board.
That being said, I just want to say that I did try to make time whenever possible to come on and read all the posts from the familiar names whose common affinity for KU and unique insights mean so much to me. I love this board, love its participants, and love all the diverse personalities. I'm hoping that, by the time Late Night rolls around, we'll have our little app on lots of people's mobile phones...and while there will still be a TON of work to do growing the user base and business from there...that I'll have more time to post.
In the meantime, I'll occasionally hop on and wade in. But as the offseason approaches, I wish you and everyone on here - along with your loved ones - peace, good health, and a dose of occasional adventure.
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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I was hoping that we might meet at the Sprint Center this weekend - a 6 year reunion so to speak.
All the best to you and your family.
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I lurked on this board for years, and finally dove in and started posting last year. I've enjoyed this board immensely, and your posts in particular. I continue to look at the board almost every day, even in the off season, though the posts sure reduce. I'll be here, hoping we have some good news from recruiting, and even better news from the football team.
Take care.
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My sincere hopes that the bad stuff has passed, and best wishes for HUGE success with your app!
Be well, continued success, see ya on the Board!
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I’ll stick with hoops now, and apologize to others for my little diversion on our fine board.
Great people on here. But we knew that!
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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K63, like everyone else, sending positive energy your way about your mom (and family overall).
Regarding the comment you made about what HCBS said
That he needed to bring in a couple guys with talent to take over games in ways coaches can’t teach. Maybe that’s a self-admission that his coaching alone isn’t enough; you have to go for some studs as well. And sometimes the studs become duds.
I think that's one of the toughest situations. The one and done type players/athletes you would think would fill that role, but as it's been pointed out many times on this board, we seem to fewer misses then hits on that front. I guess that's why going for one 1-and-done per year isn't that risky (vs UK and Duke who are going after multiple players in that category...which I don't know if HCBS could do even if he wanted to). But in my opinion (which a number of other posters have expressed as well), with the system that HCBS has in places, it's harder for those top talents to play loose. I think that's a big part of the conundrum.
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