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Final Big 12 conference standings along with the projection history.
Init. Rnd 1 Rnd 2 Rnd 3 Rnd 4 Rnd 5 Rnd 6 Rnd 7 Rnd 8 Rnd 9
Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj.
Big XII Team Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins
-------------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Kansas State 7.81 6.43 6.43 6.63 7.59 8.85 9.59 10.43 10.21 10.87
Texas Tech 11.96 12.28 12.35 12.71 13.27 12.28 11.39 10.65 11.08 10.71
Kansas 12.80 13.08 12.07 12.50 12.87 13.01 12.20 12.60 11.89 12.31
Baylor 6.32 6.33 6.24 7.06 6.72 7.51 8.33 9.09 10.29 10.83
Iowa State 10.49 10.85 11.75 11.07 10.07 10.97 11.17 10.81 11.27 11.56
Texas 8.51 9.83 10.18 9.36 8.73 8.61 9.04 8.67 9.08 8.78
Oklahoma 10.61 10.41 10.34 10.10 10.44 9.05 8.55 9.18 8.34 7.60
TCU 9.99 9.87 10.00 9.68 9.46 10.05 9.32 9.70 8.97 8.23
Oklahoma State 5.22 4.82 4.72 5.34 6.30 5.60 5.45 4.85 5.05 4.53
West Virginia 6.29 6.10 5.92 5.55 4.55 4.07 4.96 4.02 3.82 4.58
Rd 10 Rd 11 Rd 12 Rd 13 Rd 14 Rd 15 Rd 16 Rd 17 Rd 18
Pred Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Proj. Conf
Rank Big XII Team Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins Wins Record
---- -------------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ------
# 21 Kansas State 11.59 12.27 12.96 12.42 12.79 13.08 12.78 13.12 13.63 14 4
# 9 Texas Tech 11.00 11.65 12.02 12.29 12.32 12.71 12.78 13.21 13.48 14 4
# 11 Kansas 11.67 11.61 12.12 12.24 12.20 11.76 12.07 12.31 11.77 12 6
# 39 Baylor 10.32 9.75 10.15 9.83 10.61 10.86 11.31 10.97 10.23 10 8
# 15 Iowa State 12.11 11.21 11.21 11.79 11.05 10.48 10.79 10.28 9.52 9 9
# 25 Texas 9.28 9.81 9.06 9.27 9.26 8.89 8.44 8.94 8.69 8 10
# 28 Oklahoma 6.98 6.38 5.95 6.57 6.60 6.97 6.66 6.82 7.37 7 11
# 40 TCU 8.38 9.21 8.74 8.02 7.40 7.90 7.26 6.84 6.31 7 11
# 75 Oklahoma State 4.33 4.25 3.91 3.78 4.42 4.17 4.09 3.87 4.61 5 13
# 74 West Virginia 4.34 3.86 3.88 3.79 3.35 3.18 3.82 3.64 4.39 4 14
So, how did teams do relative to their pre-season projection? Differentials of up to
3 wins are not unusual, but the 6.2 win differential for Kansas State is unprecedented.
We can attribute that to the pre-season projection being skewed by the absence of Wade,
while the actual conference performance was largely with Wade. Still, it's pretty
amazing how much of a difference one player can make.
Init.
Actual Proj.
Team Wins Wins Diff.
-------------- ------ ----- -----
Kansas State 14 7.81 +6.19
Baylor 10 6.32 +3.68
Texas Tech 14 11.96 +2.04
Oklahoma State 5 5.22 -0.22
Texas 8 8.51 -0.51
Kansas 12 12.80 -0.80
Iowa State 9 10.49 -1.49
West Virginia 4 6.29 -2.29
TCU 7 9.99 -2.99
Oklahoma 7 10.61 -3.61
Greenfield and Vegas tied for honors with the best prognostications in Round 19. Honorable mention
to Colley and Dunkel. The season winner is Greenfield by a nose over Vegas. (And now you know why
it's tough to beat Vegas.) I should mention that Whitlock's web site completely disappeared, so I
used his ratings that were in effect for Round 18 to make the predictions for Round 19. I should
also mention that some of the prognosticators work only in integer predictions (Massey, Real Time,
Seven Overtimes), while others quantize to half integers (Greenfield, Dunkel, Vegas), so at the
half point level, Sagarin, Massey, Pomeroy, Greenfield, Vegas, Dolphin, and ESPN's BPI are all
pretty much equal. Colley's predictions were the worst of the bunch, but I noted way back at the
beginning of the conference season that the scaling of ratings units to points seemed weird this
season. I basically took the Sagarin Predictor ratings of the top and bottom teams (Duke and
Delaware State) to maximize the point difference, then looked at Colley's ratings for those two
teams and computed that I had to scale Colley's ratings by 60.63 to convert his ratings units to
points. That's significantly larger than it has been for the most recent previous seasons, when
it was down around 44 or so. Maybe the rating for Delaware State was wonky at the time, but they
had an entire non-conference season on which to base a rating. Another thing worth noting is that
adjusting Sagarin's Predictor ratings for actual performance doesn't help the predictions. It made
them an average of 0.6 points worse. And using last year's Big 12 home court advantage also didn't
help; that added another 0.2 points. The trend analsysis also made things worse by 1.1 points.
Greenfield's predictions have matched Vegas so frequently, it's no surprise that they finished with
the same average error of 9.1 points. Still, that's a little better than the national average for
inconsistency of 11 points. Real Time was second worst, edging out Seven Overtimes. Both of those
guys need to work on their algorithms. In particular, Real Time gives the home team an extra eight
points, which is way too much. That's 16 points for a swap of venue. Makes me wonder if the more
common 8 points for swap of venue is interpreted as the "home court advantage" by Real Time, thereby
making it a factor of two too large.
Predictions
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Saga Mass Pome Gree Dunk Vega Dolp Coll Whit ESPN 7 OT Real Aste A-HC Trnd
KU over BU 8.2 8.0 6.5 7.5 9.5 7.0 5.9 15.4 9.3 8.8 10.0 11.0 7.5 9.8 4.0
UT over TCU 5.5 8.0 7.0 6.5 8.5 6.0 7.3 2.1 6.3 7.8 1.0 9.0 6.0 8.3 8.7
KSU over OU 4.1 6.0 5.1 7.0 12.5 7.0 5.3 7.9 4.7 5.8 2.0 11.0 3.6 6.0 10.0
OSU over WVU 3.0 5.0 3.9 4.5 10.0 4.5 3.9 3.1 4.6 3.5 1.0 7.0 4.3 6.6 -0.1
ISU over TTU 0.5 -1.0 -1.4 -2.5 2.5 -2.5 -2.2 -5.1 -1.3 0.3 -4.0 2.0 -0.8 1.5 -3.8
Reality Error
------- --2-----------1----1.5----3----1.5----------1-----1-----1-----------3-----------1-----3-
Saga Mass Pome Gree Dunk Vega Dolp Coll Whit ESPN 7 OT Real Aste A-HC Trnd
8 0.2 0.0 1.5 0.5 1.5 1.0 2.1 7.4 1.3 0.8 2.0 3.0 0.5 1.8 4.0
-13 18.5 21.0 20.0 19.5 21.5 19.0 20.3 15.1 19.3 20.8 14.0 22.0 19.0 21.3 21.7
15 10.9 9.0 9.9 8.0 2.5 8.0 9.7 7.1 10.3 9.2 13.0 4.0 11.4 9.0 5.0
8 5.0 3.0 4.1 3.5 2.0 3.5 4.1 4.9 3.4 4.5 7.0 1.0 3.7 1.4 8.1
-7 7.5 6.0 5.6 4.5 9.5 4.5 4.8 1.9 5.7 7.3 3.0 9.0 6.2 8.5 3.2
total 42.1 39.0 41.1 36.0 37.0 36.0 41.0 36.4 40.0 42.6 39.0 39.0 40.8 42.0 42.0
previous 789.0 825.0 788.8 780.0 859.5 783.5 811.11006.8 849.3 797.3 894.0 903.0 838.0 859.9 882.5
cumulative 831.1 864.0 829.9 816.0 896.5 819.5 852.11043.2 889.3 839.9 933.0 942.0 878.8 901.9 924.5
pre game 9.2 9.6 9.2 9.1 10.0 9.1 9.5 11.6 9.9 9.3 10.4 10.5 9.8 10.0 10.3
No road wins were projected for Round 19, which would have left us spot-on the long-term average
of one road win in every three games. But the toss-up game in Ames did indeed go the way of the
Red Raiders, and TCU avoided having its bubble burst by shocking Texas in Austin, so we finised
the conference season two road wins ahead of the long-term average, but that's within the scatter.
So no surprises here. Kansas tried to follow its usual recipe for winning the league by having
an unblemished home record, but road woes relegated this team to third place.
Road wins (32 out of 90) Home losses Differential
------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------- --------------
7 Kansas St. ISU OU OSU BU UT WVU TCU 0 Kansas +5 Kansas St.
6 Texas Tech WVU UT OU OSU TCU ISU 1 Texas Tech ISU +5 Texas Tech
4 Baylor OSU WVU OU ISU 2 Kansas St. UT ISU +3 Kansas
4 Iowa St. OSU TTU OU KSU 3 Baylor KU KSU OSU +1 Baylor
3 Kansas BU TCU OSU 3 Texas TTU KSU TCU 0 Iowa St.
2 Oklahoma OSU TCU 4 Iowa St. KSU TCU BU TTU -1 Texas
2 Oklahoma St. WVU BU 4 Oklahoma KSU BU ISU TTU -2 Oklahoma
2 TCU ISU UT 4 TCU KU OU TTU KSU -2 TCU
2 Texas KSU WVU 5 W. Virginia TTU OSU BU UT KSU -4 Oklahoma St.
0 W. Virginia 6 Oklahoma St. ISU BU OU KSU TTU KU -5 W. Virginia
Statistics through the end of the conference tournament.
Performance (points) Inconsistency (points)
--------------------- ----------------------
Texas Tech +1.67 Kansas 9.29
Iowa State +0.58 West Virginia 10.50
Baylor +0.20 Oklahoma 10.88
Texas +0.14 Iowa State 11.05
Oklahoma +0.08 Oklahoma State 11.09
TCU +0.04 Texas 11.28
Kansas -0.20 Texas Tech 11.31
Kansas State -0.21 TCU 11.48
Oklahoma State -0.90 Kansas State 11.99
West Virginia -2.08 Baylor 12.49
Trend (points per game) Mental toughness
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Kansas State +0.48 +/- 0.21 Kansas State +0.43 +/- 0.22
Baylor +0.21 +/- 0.24 Baylor +0.30 +/- 0.21
Texas Tech +0.19 +/- 0.22 Texas +0.26 +/- 0.23
West Virginia +0.05 +/- 0.19 Oklahoma State +0.06 +/- 0.25
Texas +0.01 +/- 0.22 Texas Tech +0.05 +/- 0.17
Iowa State -0.03 +/- 0.20 Iowa State -0.04 +/- 0.20
Oklahoma State -0.06 +/- 0.22 TCU -0.10 +/- 0.24
Kansas -0.17 +/- 0.16 West Virginia -0.20 +/- 0.21
TCU -0.19 +/- 0.21 Kansas -0.31 +/- 0.22
Oklahoma -0.28 +/- 0.21 Oklahoma -0.61 +/- 0.31
Average offense (pts) Average defense (pts) Total Points Scoring Margin (pts)
--------------------- --------------------- ---------------------- ----------------------
Iowa State 77.15 Kansas State 59.48 West Virginia 150.03 Texas Tech +12.69
Kansas 75.03 Texas Tech 59.84 Iowa State 145.76 Iowa State +8.53
TCU 73.67 Texas 67.56 Kansas 145.47 Kansas State +6.09
West Virginia 72.79 Baylor 67.62 TCU 144.30 Kansas +4.59
Texas Tech 72.53 Oklahoma 68.41 Oklahoma State 139.56 Baylor +3.59
Baylor 71.22 Iowa State 68.62 Oklahoma 139.38 TCU +3.03
Oklahoma 70.97 Kansas 70.44 Baylor 138.84 Texas +2.62
Texas 70.19 TCU 70.64 Texas 137.75 Oklahoma +2.56
Oklahoma State 67.88 Oklahoma State 71.69 Texas Tech 132.38 Oklahoma State -3.81
Kansas State 65.58 West Virginia 77.24 Kansas State 125.06 West Virginia -4.44
Schedule Strength
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Kansas 83.35 ( 1)
Oklahoma State 82.71 ( 2)
Texas 82.38 ( 6)
Oklahoma 82.13 ( 9)
West Virginia 81.98 (13)
Iowa State 80.95 (21)
Kansas State 80.73 (26)
Baylor 80.51 (32)
TCU 80.37 (34)
Texas Tech 79.81 (44)
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Thank you for all your effort throughout the season, year over year.
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