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5 years 2 months ago #21002
by asteroid
It's the last game of an eleven-game stretch for which the predicted margins
have all been in the single digits, or to put it another way, just three
possession games. Seven of them have been two possession games. The Big 12
has just been brutal.
Iowa State won a toss-up road game in Norman yesterday, so to keep pace, Kansas
needs to win a toss-up road game in Manhattan today. Easier said than done,
given the road difficulties that the Jayhawks have had. But if you attribute
those road woes to simple statistical fluctuations, then Kansas is due for a
road win. Can't really count on the hot shooting to continue (every starter
made a three against Texas Tech), nor can we count on the Wildcats shooting as
badly as the Red Raiders did. But after Devonte's little pep talk, maybe the
Jayhawks are in a better place, even without Garrett in the line-up.
As expected, the predictions are mixed. Real Time, who appears to use a
substantial home court advantage, is the pessimist of the bunch, calling for
a 7 point Kansas loss. Greenfield is the next most pessimistic with a 3.5
point Kansas loss. And since Greenfield mimics Vegas so closely, it's no
surprise that Vegas has it as a 2.5 point loss. Sagarin's Recent Games ratings
predict a 1 point Kansas loss. Don Davis' DPPI has it as a toss-up, though
fractionally negative for Kansas. Dunkel has it even. Common opponents also
has it as a toss-up, though fractionally positive for Kansas. The rest are in
favor of Kansas, with Sagarin's eigenvector analysis being the most optimistic
at 5.2 points. The average is a half point in favor of Kansas, but with a
scatter of 2.8 points.
Because of the Texas Tech defense, the Red Raiders have played the second-lowest
scoring games among Big 12 teams at 128 points per game. The lowest scoring
games have been played by Kansas State at 124 points per game. That's why the
predictions call for scores in the 60s. But Kansas found a way to control the
tempo against Texas Tech, so perhaps the Jayhawks can apply that same winning
formula to today's game.
Kansas State has a positive trend and a positive mental toughness rating, both
of which are statistically significant. I suspect that is the Dean Wade effect.
Meanwhile, the Azubuike effect for Kansas has resulted in a negative trend of
marginal statistical significance. The Jayhawks' mental toughness rating is
effectively nil. Taken at face value, however, Kansas State would be favored
by 2 points.
You can effectively ignore Dunkel's rankings, as he hasn't updated them since
December (Kansas is shown with a 7-0 record).
Among Greenfield's eight offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in all eight.
Wow (with apologies to Dave Armstrong). Among the seven defensive stats, Kansas
has the advantage in four of them, which is surprising, considering how Kansas
State's claim to fame is its defense; the Wildats hold opponents to fewer points
per game, steal more balls per game, and commit fewer personal fouls per game.
Common Opponents
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There are seven common opponents, six in conference plus Marquette, two of which Kansas has
already played twice, and one of which Kansas State has already played twice, giving us ten
scores to compare:
KU +9 Mar neutral ( +9 neutral court)
KSU -12 Mar on road ( -8 neutral court)
KU +13 KSU on road (+17 neutral court)
KU +2 UT at home ( -2 neutral court) KU -10 UT on road ( -6 neutral court)
KSU -20 UT at home (-24 neutral court) KSU -20 UT at home (-24 neutral court)
KU +18 KSU on road (+22 neutral court) KU +14 KSU on road (+18 neutral court)
KU +16 TTU at home (+12 neutral court) KU +16 TTU at home (+12 neutral court)
KSU -6 TTU on road ( -2 neutral court) KSU +13 TTU at home ( +9 neutral court)
KU +10 KSU on road (+14 neutral court) KU -1 KSU on road ( +3 neutral court)
KU -1 WVU on road ( +3 neutral court)
KSU +2 WVU at home ( -2 neutral court)
KU +1 KSU on road ( +5 neutral court)
KU -17 ISU on road (-13 neutral court) KU +4 ISU at home ( 0 neutral court)
KSU +1 ISU on road ( +5 neutral court) KSU +1 ISU on road ( +5 neutral court)
KU -22 KSU on road (-18 neutral court) KU -9 KSU on road ( -5 neutral court)
KU +7 OU at home ( +3 neutral court)
KSU +13 OU on road (+17 neutral court)
KU -18 KSU on road (-14 neutral court)
KU +9 TCU at home ( +5 neutral court)
KSU +10 TCU at home ( +6 neutral court)
KU -5 KSU on road ( -1 neutral court)
Kansas has a clear advantage in the Marquette and Texas comparisons. while Kansas
State has a clear advantage in the Iowa State and Oklahoma comparisons. The average
is just 0.1 points in favor of Kansas.
Players to Watch
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most minutes Barry Brown (guard)
most points Barry Brown (guard)
most rebounds Dean Wade (forward)
most assists Kamau Stokes (guard)
most steals Barry Brown (guard)
most blocks Makol Mawien (forward)
most turnovers Barry Brown (guard)
most fouls Makol Mawien (forward)
Almost as one-dimensional as Texas Tech. Control Brown, and you should be able to
control the game, though Dean Wade has certainly been a difference maker.
No Doke (no joke), no De Sousa, and no Garrett for Kansas.
Kansas State has no reported injuries.
17-5 16-5
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Kansas State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============= =============
Sagarin Overall +1.54 65 64 # 9 # 1 # 27 # 34
Sagarin Predictor +1.60 65 63 # 10 # 1 # 34 # 34
Sagarin Golden Mean +1.49 65 64 # 9 # 1 # 23 # 34
Sagarin Recent Games -1.02 64 65 # 23 # 1 # 30 # 34
Sagarin Eigenvector +5.20 67 62 69
Massey +2.00 65 63 53 # 12 # 1 # 27 # 38
Pomeroy +1.09 62 61 # 15 # 1 # 40 # 40
Greenfield -3.50 65 68.5 # 13 # 3 # 37 # 35
Dunkel 0.00 63 63 # 5 # 31
Vegas (via Dunkel) -2.50 64 67
Dolphin Predictive +0.93 64 63 53.4 # 16 # 5 # 40 # 41
Real Time -7.00 72 79 34.6 # 5 # 1 # 24 # 39
Seven Overtimes +1.00 68 67 60 # 3 # 1 # 38 # 44
DPPI -0.10 68 68 48.4 # 10 # 1 # 32 # 49
ESPN BPI +1.70 56.8 # 15 # 1 # 40 # 51
Whitlock +2.60 # 11 # 1 # 35 # 41
Colley Matrix +4.40 # 4 # 1 # 19 # 26
NCAA NET # 17 # 30
common opponents +0.10
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +0.5 65.5 65.5
scatter 2.8 2.5 4.5
Here is Kansas' season; the season record projection remains at 23-8, with
a projected loss at Texas Tech:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
NEUT # 4 Michigan State 92 87 -4.51 +9.51
HOME # 79 Vermont 84 68 +14.31 +1.69
HOME #173 Louisiana 89 76 +21.90 -8.90
NEUT # 20 Marquette 77 68 +2.55 +6.45
NEUT # 6 Tennessee 87 81 -1.83 +7.83
HOME #108 Stanford 90 84 +16.77 -10.77
HOME # 52 Wofford 72 47 +11.38 +13.62
HOME # 56 New Mexico State 63 60 +12.14 -9.14
HOME # 18 Villanova 74 71 +4.91 -1.91
HOME #212 South Dakota 89 53 +24.60 +11.40
AWAY # 47 Arizona State 76 80 +4.25 -8.25
HOME #168 Eastern Michigan 87 63 +21.73 +2.27
HOME # 25 Oklahoma 70 63 +7.26 -0.26
AWAY # 14 Iowa State 60 77 -2.05 -14.95
HOME # 35 TCU 77 68 +8.01 +0.99
AWAY # 37 Baylor 73 68 +2.14 +2.86
HOME # 33 Texas 80 78 +7.84 -5.84
AWAY # 71 West Virginia 64 65 +7.47 -8.47
HOME # 14 Iowa State 80 76 +4.23 -0.23
AWAY # 7 Kentucky 63 71 -4.76 -3.24
AWAY # 33 Texas 63 73 +1.56 -11.56
HOME # 15 Texas Tech 79 63 +4.51 +11.49
AWAY # 34 Kansas State +1.60 0.563
HOME # 74 Oklahoma State +13.93 0.933
AWAY # 35 TCU +1.73 0.566
HOME # 71 West Virginia +13.75 0.941
AWAY # 15 Texas Tech -1.77 0.421
HOME # 34 Kansas State +7.88 0.782
AWAY # 74 Oklahoma State +7.65 0.795
AWAY # 25 Oklahoma +0.98 0.538
HOME # 37 Baylor +8.42 0.764
Here is Kansas State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #343 Kennesaw State 56 41 +31.80 -16.80
HOME #282 Denver 64 56 +23.84 -15.84
NEUT #238 Eastern Kentucky 95 68 +18.62 +8.38
NEUT #122 Pennsylvania 64 48 +9.87 +6.13
NEUT # 92 Missouri 82 67 +7.13 +7.87
HOME #156 Lehigh 77 58 +16.06 +2.94
AWAY # 20 Marquette 71 83 -5.33 -6.67
AWAY #124 Tulsa 46 47 +6.98 -7.98
HOME #125 Georgia State 71 59 +13.28 -1.28
HOME #139 Southern Miss 55 51 +14.62 -10.62
HOME # 97 Vanderbilt 69 58 +10.63 +0.37
HOME #130 George Mason 59 58 +13.77 -12.77
HOME # 33 Texas 47 67 +3.10 -23.10
AWAY # 15 Texas Tech 57 63 -6.51 +0.51
HOME # 71 West Virginia 71 69 +9.01 -7.01
AWAY # 14 Iowa State 58 57 -6.79 +7.79
AWAY # 25 Oklahoma 74 61 -3.76 +16.76
HOME # 35 TCU 65 55 +3.27 +6.73
HOME # 15 Texas Tech 58 45 -0.23 +13.23
AWAY # 96 Texas A&M 53 65 +4.32 -16.32
AWAY # 74 Oklahoma State 75 57 +2.91 +15.09
HOME # 10 Kansas -1.60 0.437
AWAY # 37 Baylor -2.60 0.421
AWAY # 33 Texas -3.18 0.391
HOME # 14 Iowa State -0.51 0.481
AWAY # 71 West Virginia +2.73 0.603
HOME # 74 Oklahoma State +9.19 0.801
AWAY # 10 Kansas -7.88 0.218
HOME # 37 Baylor +3.68 0.611
AWAY # 35 TCU -3.01 0.399
HOME # 25 Oklahoma +2.52 0.586
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