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6 years 9 months ago #20906 by replayloungehawk
Does De Sousa lose eligibility as well? So would he only have his Sr season?

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6 years 9 months ago #20907 by HawkErrant

replayloungehawk wrote: Does De Sousa lose eligibility as well? So would he only have his Sr season?


Silvio really wants to get his degree so he sits this season and next and stays for his season season to show the NBA his stuff.

I like the way you think, replay.

To your question, seems to me that since they ruled him ineligible for 2 seasons the answer is yes to your first question. but no to your second.
Since student athletes start with 5 years of eligibility in which they can play 4 seasons, I would think that if he stayed he would have 2 years to play 1 starting with his 4th year..

He used 1 year of eligibility 4 last year.
Now these 2 are gone.
Only leaves him 1 year left to play, but he should have two years of eligibility left.

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6 years 9 months ago #20908 by HawkErrant
I represent University of Kansas men’s basketball student-athlete Silvio De Sousa.
The NCAA’s decision today is outrageous. It should shock the conscience of anyone who believes in fundamental fairness.
Silvio did absolutely nothing wrong. He was not involved in any wrongdoing by the adults, he did not know about any wrongdoing by the adults, and he did not benefit from any wrongdoing by the adults.
Let me be very clear: Silvio never received any illicit money from anyone.
The NCAA’s decision illustrates the absurdity of how the NCAA enforces its rules: A young man who did nothing wrong has had his life altered in a very negative way through no fault of his own.
That is not how we do things in this country.
I will work with KU to do everything legally possible to get this outrageous decision reversed.

Scott Tompsett
Tompsett Collegiate Sports Law


247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/Sil...sophomore-128581171/

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6 years 9 months ago #20910 by Illhawk
A month ago I thought and posted that the NCAA would never "bless" him, I didn't expect them to damn him either , but to just leave in limbo until he followed Preston to Europe. I gather KU may have brought things to a head by acknowledging the $2500 for classes.

This cannot be what they expected to happen, but it seemed likely.
Perhaps the appeal will reduce the penalty to a this season only suspension?

My pessimistic nature has me concerned that if they hit a kid this hard for this. then there will be harsh consequences in the spring for the institution and adults .

(btw I heard Mizzo got hammered yesterday.)

Not that I would mind being wrong.

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6 years 9 months ago #20911 by Wheatstate Gal
Missouri academic fraud

Football, baseball and softball

I didn’t read anything but the headline......so I have no idea of the presumed dissimilarity (s) between MU and UNC.

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6 years 9 months ago #20912 by newtonhawk
There is a lot of conflicting information and inconsistency out there, especially when you read quotes found in the KC Star

www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12...rticle225440170.html

Fallmagne claims the $2,500 didn't even go to KU for classes, but went to a church in Florida, and he has sent documentation to the NCAA as proof. If KU filed admitting a violation, did they do so with knowledge of this information. Perhaps they didn't believe Fallmagne, or they were just trying to speed the process. If the latter is true, they may have placed too much doubt on Fallmagne's version of the story and the NCAA decided to come down on them.

Where's the truth? Is this really justice, or is it a message sent with no complete validation of what actually took place?

It's a mess, and not knowing Silvio, the eye test on him is one of innocence in the purest sense. He's a young man from Angola looking for an opportunity to play the sport he loves for a college program he must love, or at least have a strong affinity toward to even stay this long. He shows up for practice, goes on the road trips, and even has his game gear ready in the event a last minute decision renders him eligible. That is a telling statement to his personal presumption of innocence and to his innocence as a young man wanting to get on with things.

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6 years 9 months ago #20914 by AZhawk87
Honestly, this was not unexpected in my opinion.

NCAA enforcement is in shambles, and evidence now confirms what everyone already knew - that tons of money and benefits are flowing to the families and friends of elite athletes. And has been for decades to the benefit of coaches and schools.

NCAA had to do something in light of the Adidas trial, and their choice was to place the blame either on a player, or on KU/Self/Maryland/the NCAA system, etc. Silvio was the star piece of evidence from the trial, and someone had to pay the price. NCAA knows they'll take heat for the Silvio decision, and even the MU decision (vis a vis UNC not getting any penalty). But it's heat they can withstand, while showing they're cracking down. Silvio will be long forgotten by next year, and the system will move forward having been protected.

KU ran out of favors from the NCAA over the past five years, and it was too much to believe NCAA would help KU here.

The message is clear. Players need to grow up, take control of their own careers, and be responsible for their families, mentors, etc. Parents/Guardians are out to profit off these kids. The schools and coaches are in on it to the core. And the NCAA is helpless to do much about it without taking down the entire system - which they won't do. It sucks to place the entire burden on the young players, and in this case Silvio. But the NCAA had to hammer someone, and they chose to protect Self, KU, the entire college system and their own profits.

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6 years 9 months ago #20917 by Wheatstate Gal
Kids 18 years old aren’t old enough to choose a career path for study, let alone be responsible for adults looking to profit from their athletic gifts.

I don’t have an answer.

But I’ll always remember the “crash of 2019.” Yee gawds!
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6 years 9 months ago #20918 by AZhawk87
I agree Wheaty. But that's the message from the NCAA. Of all the shenanigans surrounding Silvio, including two universities, two shoe companies, two boosters, tens of thousands of dollars changing hands, the NCAA clearly laid the onus on the 18 year old player to be responsible.

So if you're an 18 year old athletic prodigy, you better mature quickly and demand to know what's going on. NCAA is going to blame you and ruin your college career, so grow up.

And to be very cynical, there's two universities, two boosters, two shoe companies who will howl about the injustice to Silvio, quietly thankful that the blame didn't fall on them - yet.

It's just awful.
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6 years 9 months ago #20919 by DrJHawker
www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/new...re-treated-harshest/

Losing Silvio is bad enough. Losing games from last years season would be insult to injury. Yet, Self doesn't seem to care. I appreciate how he is standing up for his player.
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6 years 9 months ago #20957 by NotOstertag
Maybe I'm stating the obvious here, but does anybody else feel like the NCAA may have intentionally misled KU?

Here's my logic:

1.) the NCAA made it pretty clear that they weren't ever going to rule one way or the other on Silvio. We sat him on our own, and they officially had "no opinion" (ahem...Zion Williamson...), and weren't in any hurry to have an opinion.

2.) We realize that the only way to get movement on this is for KU to admit to the infraction, and then allow the NCAA to determine how long the suspension will be, thinking that "time served" will be a likely outcome. At some point, we also had to "admit" that the Adidas guy was a "booster". This level of detail lead me to believe that there were discussions between the NCAA and KU and/or Silvio's lawyer. You would assume that as part of those assurances, and in exchange for KU admitting to wrongdoing (wrongdoing that the NCAA was unable to prove) that assurances were also given that Silvio would get back on the court.

3.) After (very likely) consulting with the NCAA, we admit to the $2500 and the Adidas agent being a "booster". Instead of the NCAA holding up their end of the deal, they levy what is essentially a 2 year suspension on a kid, and continue to dangle things like "lack of institutional control" and taking wins away from us.

Bottom line, I don't think we would have risked this outcome had we known that it was possible, and I think we threw the NCAA a bone, when in fact they'd never have been able to prove anything in the first place. Feeling that we got double crossed here.

I'm going to reiterate: regardless of the way the season turns out, the day after selection Sunday, I'd love for Self to announce that KU is declining the NCAA's invitation to the tournament in protest of their behavior. In doing so, I'd also name names: Duke, UNC, and make sure the announcement is made AFTER the brackets are in place so that they don't have time to re-adjust things.

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