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Here are couple of paragraphs that stood out to me. The bold sentence below (my emphasis) highlights how he looks for players that fit his system (instead of focusing on just the top-rated players). The second paragraph talks about how he changed his three-point defense and the third paragraph talks about how he changed his three-point offense.
www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/04/03...ivincenzo-jay-wrightThe mind-set was still there in 2009, when Villanova reached its first Final Four in 24 years, but after that achievement the program lost some of its edge. Wright has said that he got “sloppy” in his recruiting during this time, overemphasizing talent and stature and not fully considering how players might fit in the Wildcats’ culture. Two years after that Final Four—where the Wildcats lost in the semifinals to eventual champion North Carolina—Villanova started 16–1 before collapsing, losing its final six games. The following season it finished 13–19. “Those were good players, and they weren’t bad people,” says Philadelphia 76ers assistant Billy Lange, who served on Wright’s staff from ’01 to ’04 and ’11 to ’13. “They just weren’t coming to Villanova for the same reasons Jay wants people to.”
Around the same time he was returning to his original priorities, Wright made another important tweak. As the Wildcats were continually burned by opponents’ three-point shooting, he commissioned Lange to figure out why. He spent the summer of 2013 chronicling every three-pointer Villanova had surrendered in its previous 27 games against high-level opponents and filed a 37-page report complete with pie charts and color-coded tables. “He probably read about two pages,” Lange says now, but it was enough to grasp the report’s primary conclusion: The best way Villanova could limit opponents’ three-point damage was by emphasizing communication and reworking their ball-screen defense. It was the volume of opponents’ threes, not their percentage of makes, that needed to be addressed.
Another of the Wildcats’ many creeds is that defense leads to offense, and in this case the effect was literal. The same logic suggested that Villanova’s offense would benefit from shooting more triples, and so Wright, already a deep-ball proponent and member of the small-ball avant-garde, built his rosters and game plans accordingly. In 2013–14, the first season after the study, the Wildcats’ share of field goal attempts from beyond the arc leaped from 35.3% (112th in the country) to 44.8% (seventh). It has not dipped below 42.7% since.
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I personally think Wright is an outstanding coach. It doesn't hurt that he appears to be a very decent person, and seems to run a very clean, respectable program.
His willingness to learn and adjust over time is commendable, and no doubt contributed to the floodgates of success opening up for him in recent years.
Even the elite coaches have to be open to continual learning and progression, and then to actually commit to that and do it. One of the wraps on Self from the past was that he didn't adjust much, and remained committed (stubbornly) to his preferred system -- which, back then, was the high-low, with everything starting with the bigs. He wasn't a big fan of the 3-ball ("fools gold," as we all well remember him derisively referring to it). But he changed, adapted, and evolved, not only this season but the past one as well.
The one thing I think he'd do well to "go to school" on (get to work on) in his learning progression is 3-point defense. Here the quotes about Wright and his assistant systematically addressing that past weakness of theirs is quite apt. In that vein, while I hope it was just a quick reaction after a very embarrassing semifinal loss, Self gave an interview then that I found a little disconcerting, at face value. He was asked about KU's inability to impede the ridiculous Villanova 3-point shooting, and he said something to the effect of "If I were go to back and watch the video - which I probably won't [italics mine], I think I would see some of our guys coming up short on the wing."
He was essentially saying that our guards' defense was not good in key spots, but the thing that stuck with me (and still sticks, obviously) was the comment about him never going back to watch the video again. I sincerely hope that he didn't mean that, and it was just a quick reaction after the gut-punch or curb-stomping delivered by Villanova and Wright. Because, to my mind, Self and KU clearly need to "solve Villanova." That is, figure out how they're beating us, how to offset what they're doing, and go on the offensive to put them on their heels...make them play out of character, and start beating them, instead of the other way around.
Villanova isn't going away. Period. Wright is well on his way to a Hall of Fame career at this clip, assuming he doesn't go to the NBA, and he's a superb coach who can recruit very good talent up and down the east coast. At this stage, he clearly has gotten the better of Self and KU (unlike Squid, Huckleberry Hound, and Coach K).
Not only has he clearly gotten the better of Self, but he's done it with the highest of stakes in play -- along the path to two national championships. Think about the two KU teams he beat, and the games/opponents that followed in the tourney once we were defeated. Is it not highly plausible that KU would've won both national championships? (2016 and 2018) I submit it is. And yet both times, the obstacle in our path - the force that prevented KU from potentially adding championships 4 and 5 to the AFH rafters - was Villanova and Wright.
Watch the video, Coach Self. (Just like Wright and his assistant did in 2013 -- though, in that case, the assistant broke down all of their games, and every 3-point shot)
Learn.
Adapt.
Evolve.
Solve your enemy.
He and they aren't going nowhere, and we'll be playing them again (perhaps multiple times) for high stakes in future tourneys.
You rock. You're in the Hall for a reason. Do it.
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1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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This is the one element that is often missing in the KU attack, and it's such a nice option to have. (See: Villanova this year, but also ISU every single year with Georges Niang)
It adds a great dimension to any scoring attack, and it's not like it has to be present at all times on the floor, but even as a change-up in personnel.
Self loves the back-to-the-basket game with his bigs, even to the point where he pushes that too hard on certain personnel who don't fit that profile. (See: Perry Ellis) Ellis was a great example (counter-factual) of how Self eventually did allow for some modest adjustment -- but only midway through Ellis's final year at KU -- and it paid off greatly. Sadly, Ellis (and Self?) went back to the back-to-the-basket game in the 2016 Elite Eight loss to Villanova, when Ellis couldn't handle the inside pressure and beef (it was never his game).
But the point remains. KU would do well to routinely recruit and train a stretch 4 (or 5) to add that to the attack arsenal. And as I've said before, we might just have an able prospect for that already on their roster heading into next year in Silvio. But he will need training on it all spring, summer, and fall, and the free pass to work on it (and fail but hopefully ultimately succeed) in games next season. He has a very pretty shot, with ingrained nice form, so it might just work. Having a man of his beastly size able to pop out (and take his inside defender with him) would be a huge bonus, opening up not only his shot but opportunities for cuts and dunks inside.
Just my $.02...while on the learn/adapt/evolve/improve kick.
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Even the elite coaches have to be open to continual learning and progression, and then to actually commit to that and do it. One of the wraps on Self from the past was that he didn't adjust much, and remained committed (stubbornly) to his preferred system -- which, back then, was the high-low, with everything starting with the bigs. He wasn't a big fan of the 3-ball ("fools gold," as we all well remember him derisively referring to it). But he changed, adapted, and evolved, not only this season but the past one as well.
Nice analysis all around, Konza. Regarding the part of your post that I pulled above, specifically the bolded part, I agree that HCBS changed and adapted, but did he do so because he was forced to (due to personnel issues) and not because he wanted to "get with the times" (a la Jay Wright)? That is, if he had his desired group of bigs over the past three years, would he have not allowed the volume of 3-point shooting and still referred to it as "fools gold"?
Bigs over the past 3 years who played significant minutes for KU
'15-'16 - Perry and Landen were our primary bigs. Bragg and Diallo were available, but didn't play as much
'16-'17 - Landen (Josh Jackson at the 4 was a bit of a hybrid), Udoka got hurt early, Coleby was hurt for a while, too, and Mitch wasn't ready for prime time.
'17-'18 - Udoka and Mitch (who was playing out of position)
Bigs that could've had more of an impact at some point over the past three years (they either didn't complete their eligibility or never played at all)
Dwight Coleby - would've been a HUGE help in '17-'18
Billy Preston - would've been a HUGE help in '17-'18, but never played for KU
Jack Whitman - (transfer from William and Mary) - never played for KU
Evan Maxwell (transfer from Liberty) - never played for KU
Carlton Bragg - left after (less than stellar) soph year (would've just completed his junior year if he was still with the team)
Cheick Diallo - left after his (just okay) freshman year (would've just completed his junior year if he was with the team)
Cliff Alexander - left after his (average) freshman year (would've graduated this year with Devonte' if he played all four years)
It's something we'll (most likely) never know the answer to, but it sure is entertaining to debate and discuss.
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This is THE crux of the issue for some of us who have questioned HCBS in the past. Are we glad he’s our coach? Yes. Would we rather have __________? No. But is he infallible? We think not. Throw out Bradley and Bucknell and look at the rest of the “bad” NCAA losses. What do you see? Horrific 3 point defense. Northern Iowa and VCU come to mind. In both games he was beaten by “fools gold” and his inability to answer with something other than an occasional lob dunk. The problem with that is the math. Three, in any known universe, is always greater than two. HCBS’s unwillingness to accept that mathematical fact has been confounding to me for quite sometime. His, along with so many other division one coaches, theory seems to be that if we just keep getting our easy twos, they will eventually miss some threes and we will be victorious. Oh and of course if we outrebound them we will definitely win. That is flawed thinking on both accounts in my very humble opinion.
“Villanovas offense would benefit from shooting more triples”. That is the key. Not only is HCBSs unwillingness to play three ball hurting his offense, his thought process that “sooner or later they will miss some (fools gold)” plays right into the hands of NIU, VCU and Nova. By the by....if you don’t miss...there is no rebound. Myth #2 debunked.
Port’s point of “desired bigs” is also extremely relevant. Did HCBS truly evolve here in the last two years or did the players he had force his hand? I am of the opinion it was the latter. If by some miracle Silvio is allowed to stay on the team and the bigs we have been hearing about become reality do we really expect HCBS to not revert to hi/low? I for one am fully prepared to see some Simien, Robinson, Withey ball if all goes as planned. I won’t be thrilled by it, but I completely expect it.
After yesterday, nothing is for sure. In fact, talk about threes and lob dunks really doesn’t mean that much. Hopfully, we can get this all sorted out and return to more subjects like this one.
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