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6 years 1 month ago #17964
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Survive and advance.
I'm having difficulty understanding Massey's prediction. He has Kansas ranked two
spots higher than Duke, yet Kansas is a 2 point underdog. That might make sense
if it was a home game for Duke, but it's a neutral court game, and if anything,
proximity to Lawrence ought to give Kansas the crowd advantage. So shouldn't the
higher ranked team be the one predicted to win?
Duke's trend is +0.04 +/- 0.19 points per game, which is statistically insignificant.
Kansas' trend is -0.19 +/- 0.19 points per game, which has only marginal statistical
significance. Duke's mental toughness value is -0.31 +/- 0.23, while Kansas' mental
toughness value is -0.47 +/- 0.26, so both have some statistical significance to them,
and it means that both teams underperform against tough opponents.
Duke played almost 7 points below expecation in its most recent game against Syracuse,
while Kansas played about 1 point below expectation against Clemson. That's three
consecutive below expectation games for Kansas, so we're due for an above expectation
game.
Duke's inconsistency is 11.8 points, while it's 12.5 points for Kansas, though it's
been MUCH smaller for the last six games.
Vick seems to be back to his early-season form, while Newman is finally playing to
his potential. If Svi has a good shooting game, I like our chances.
For some peculiar reason, Seven Overtimes has a prediction up for a game on Monday,
but not for the two games on Sunday. I'm not going to wait for them.
All the best teams from the other side of the bracket have been eliminated, making
the regional final and Final Four semifinal the two most difficult remaining games.
Make it to the championship game, and Kansas would be favored.
Among the eight key offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in just two, namely
effective field goal percent and turnover percentage. Among the seven key defensive
stats, Kansas has the advantage in just one, namely personal fouls per game.
Common Opponents
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There are three common opponents, namely Texas, Clemson, and Syracuse, one of which
Kansas has played twice (Texas), and one of which Duke has played twice (Syracuse),
giving us five scores to compare:
KU +10 Tex at home ( +7 neutral court) KU +6 Tex on road ( +9 neutral court)
Duke +7 Tex neutral ( +7 neutral court) Duke +7 Tex neutral ( +7 neutral court)
KU 0 Duke neutral ( 0 neutral court) KU +2 Duke neutral ( +2 neutral court)
KU +4 Clem neutral ( +4 neutral court)
Duke +9 Clem on road (+12 neutral court)
KU -8 Duke neutral ( -8 neutral court)
KU +16 Syr neutral (+16 neutral court) KU +16 Syr neutral (+16 neutral court)
Duke +16 Syr at home (+13 neutral court) Duke +4 Syr neutral ( +4 neutral court)
KU +3 Duke neutral ( +3 neutral court) KU +12 Duke neutral (+12 neutral court)
Three of the comparisons favor Kansas, one favors Duke, and one is a wash. The average
is 1.8 points in favor of Kansas. It should be noted that the Duke game with Texas
went to overtime, so if you make that a 0 instead of a +7, then the average becomes
4.6 points in favor of Kansas. I'm using this latter value in the table below.
Players to Watch
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Most minutes Grayson Allen guard
Leading scorer Marvin Bagley III forward
Leading rebounder Marvin Bagley III forward
Most assists Trevon Duval guard
Most steals Grayson Allen guard
Most blocks Wendell Carter Jr. forward
Most turnovers Trevon Duval guard
Most fouls Wendell Carter Jr. forward
Most trippings Grayson Allen guard
Most flops Grayson Allen guard
Most hair dye Mike Krzyzewski coach
29-7 29-7
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Duke
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============= =============
Sagarin Overall -2.30 75 78 # 3 # 4 # 2 # 22
Sagarin Predictor -2.89 75 78 40.6 # 6 # 4 # 2 # 22
Sagarin Golden Mean -2.40 75 78 # 6 # 4 # 2 # 22
Sagarin Recent Games +3.71 78 75 # 6 # 4 # 12 # 22
Sagarin Off-Def Meth -3.82 77 81
Sagarin Combo +1.17 77 76 # 3 # 5 # 4 # 24
Sagarin Elo +4.57 79 74 # 3 # 5 # 8 # 24
Sagarin Blue -3.60 75 78 # 6 # 5 # 2 # 24
performance adjust -3.51 75 78
trend adjust -5.81 74 79
Massey -2.00 77 79 44.0 # 3 # 2 # 5 # 17
Pomeroy -3.94 73 77 # 9 # 5 # 3 # 17
Greenfield -3.00 76 79 # 7 # 3 # 2 # 4
Dunkel -1.50 80 81 # 11 # 5
Vegas (via Dunkel) -3.50 76 79
Real Time RPI . # 3 # 3 # 6 # 23
Real Time GAMER . # 3 # 3 # 6 # 23
Dolphin Predictive -4.14 77 82 36.4 # 8 # 4 # 2 # 3
ESPN BPI -3.60 36.8 # 7 # 6 # 3 # 20
Seven Overtimes . # 4 # 6 # 3 # 19
Whitlock -2.92 # 8 # 4 # 3 # 11
DPPI -7.50
Colley Matrix +2.41 # 3 # 5 # 5 # 26
CBN RPI # 3 # 2 # 4 # 20
LRMC # 9 # 2 # 3 # 18
common opponents +4.60
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average -1.90 +/- 3.30
Here is Kansas' season, with potential future opponents, if the Tournament
plays out according to seed:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
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HOME #211 Tennessee State 92 56 +26.34 +9.66
NEUT # 14 Kentucky 65 61 +3.77 +0.23
HOME # 88 South Dakota State 98 64 +16.48 +17.52
HOME #242 Texas Southern 114 71 +27.96 +15.04
HOME #161 Oakland-Mich. 102 59 +22.68 +20.32
HOME #119 Toledo 96 58 +19.52 +18.48
NEUT # 45 Syracuse 76 60 +8.07 +7.93
HOME # 95 Washington 65 74 +17.24 -26.24
HOME # 43 Arizona State 85 95 +11.18 -21.18
AWAY # 67 Nebraska 73 72 +7.68 -6.68
HOME #269 Omaha(Neb.-Omaha) 109 64 +30.18 +14.82
AWAY # 81 Stanford 75 54 +9.54 +11.46
AWAY # 34 Texas 92 86 +3.67 +2.33
HOME # 11 Texas Tech 73 85 +5.81 -17.81
AWAY # 19 TCU 88 84 +1.83 +2.17
HOME # 82 Iowa State 83 78 +15.93 -10.93
HOME # 41 Kansas State 73 72 +10.77 -9.77
AWAY # 9 West Virginia 71 66 -1.95 +6.95
HOME # 27 Baylor 70 67 +9.29 -6.29
AWAY # 37 Oklahoma 80 85 +3.92 -8.92
HOME # 28 Texas A&M 79 68 +9.41 +1.59
AWAY # 41 Kansas State 70 56 +4.41 +9.59
HOME # 48 Oklahoma State 79 84 +12.13 -17.13
HOME # 19 TCU 71 64 +8.19 -1.19
AWAY # 27 Baylor 64 80 +2.93 -18.93
AWAY # 82 Iowa State 83 77 +9.57 -3.57
HOME # 9 West Virginia 77 69 +4.41 +3.59
HOME # 37 Oklahoma 104 74 +10.28 +19.72
AWAY # 11 Texas Tech 74 72 -0.55 +2.55
HOME # 34 Texas 80 70 +10.03 -0.03
AWAY # 48 Oklahoma State 64 82 +5.77 -23.77
NEUT # 48 Oklahoma State 82 68 +8.95 +5.05
NEUT # 41 Kansas State 83 67 +7.59 +8.41
NEUT # 9 West Virginia 81 70 +1.23 +9.77
NEUT #121 Pennsylvania 76 60 +16.51 -0.51
NEUT # 26 Seton Hall 83 79 +5.87 -1.87 cumulative
NEUT # 20 Clemson 80 76 +5.10 -1.10 probability
NEUT # 2 Duke -2.89 0.406 0.406
NEUT # 1 Villanova -3.64 0.379 0.154
NEUT # 10 Michigan +2.58 0.587 0.090
Here is Duke's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
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HOME #220 Elon 97 68 +29.84 -0.84
HOME #112 Utah Valley 99 69 +21.81 +8.19
NEUT # 5 Michigan State 88 81 +2.51 +4.49
HOME #325 Southern U. 78 61 +37.09 -20.09
HOME #104 Furman 92 63 +21.13 +7.87
NEUT #184 Portland State 99 81 +23.93 -5.93
NEUT # 34 Texas 85 78 +9.74 -2.74
NEUT # 16 Florida 87 84 +7.56 -4.56
AWAY # 65 Indiana 91 81 +10.39 -0.39
HOME # 91 South Dakota 96 80 +19.95 -3.95
HOME #222 Saint Francis-Pa. 124 67 +29.90 +27.10
AWAY # 77 Boston College 84 89 +11.97 -16.97
HOME #162 Evansville 104 40 +25.58 +38.42
HOME # 24 Florida State 100 93 +11.60 -4.60
AWAY # 50 NC State 85 96 +8.81 -19.81
AWAY #188 Pittsburgh 87 52 +21.27 +13.73
HOME # 80 Wake Forest 89 71 +18.68 -0.68
AWAY # 33 Miami-Florida 83 75 +6.52 +1.48
HOME #188 Pittsburgh 81 54 +27.63 -0.63
AWAY # 80 Wake Forest 84 70 +12.32 +1.68
HOME # 4 Virginia 63 65 +5.30 -7.30
HOME # 30 Notre Dame 88 66 +12.55 +9.45
AWAY # 69 St. John's 77 81 +10.98 -14.98
AWAY # 8 North Carolina 78 82 +0.86 -4.86
AWAY #100 Georgia Tech 80 69 +14.36 -3.36
HOME # 35 Virginia Tech 74 52 +12.97 +9.03
AWAY # 20 Clemson 66 57 +4.81 +4.19
HOME # 29 Louisville 82 56 +12.35 +13.65
HOME # 45 Syracuse 60 44 +14.14 +1.86
AWAY # 35 Virginia Tech 63 64 +6.61 -7.61
HOME # 8 North Carolina 74 64 +7.22 +2.78
NEUT # 30 Notre Dame 88 70 +9.37 +8.63
NEUT # 8 North Carolina 69 74 +4.04 -9.04
NEUT #127 Iona College 89 67 +19.88 +2.12
NEUT # 46 Rhode Island 87 62 +11.21 +13.79
NEUT # 45 Syracuse 69 65 +10.96 -6.96
NEUT # 6 Kansas +2.89 0.594
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6 years 1 month ago #17967
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Based on Friday's games here in Omaha, I would say the crowd will be close to 50/50. I was told by some locals rooting for KU that a lot of Nebraska people are Duke fans. The crowd make-up bore that out.
I just hope KU gets a fair shake from the refs. Unfortunately a few KU players have a propensity for stupid fouls. Cannot have that, especially by Dok.
Still two Big 12 teams left - hoping both win. RCJHKU
I just hope KU gets a fair shake from the refs. Unfortunately a few KU players have a propensity for stupid fouls. Cannot have that, especially by Dok.
Still two Big 12 teams left - hoping both win. RCJHKU
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6 years 1 month ago #17969
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“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits”. Albert Einstein
Heading up to Omaha in about 30 minutes. Will be therein the rafters with my oxygen tank (just kidding) cheering for our Hawks. Feel good about this game. Yes, I think the crowd will be fairly evenly split. Of the Duke fans I met on Friday, all seemed quite nice and everyone was collegial. Hope that continues today, win or lose.
“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits”. Albert Einstein
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6 years 1 month ago #17970
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Within a single possession- I’ll take it! KU wins by 1 and Cardiac ICUs across Kansas fill to capacity!!!!!
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6 years 1 month ago #17982
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
I hope you see an epic win punctuated by an epic KU win, JR. That or a KU blowout, lol.
Have fun, represent (we know you will), and here's to the Flock soaring all through the game and beyond.
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Have fun, represent (we know you will), and here's to the Flock soaring all through the game and beyond.
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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6 years 1 month ago - 6 years 1 month ago #17984
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
Don't think we don't read every detail, Asteroid!
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Most trippings Grayson Allen guard
Most flops Grayson Allen guard
Most hair dye Mike Krzyzewski coach
Well played, Kind Sir...
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
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