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7 years 6 months ago #17180
by asteroid
"Things that are inevitable: death, taxes, and Kansas winning the Big 12."
--Doug Gottlieb
Deja vu. I have distinct memories of having played Oklahoma State in recent
days. That must have been in a parallel universe. You know, the one in which
Spock has a beard.
The good news is that Oklahoma State played less than 24 hours ago, and it was
a physically and emotionally draining "must win" game against their in-state
rival. Meanwhile, Kansas rested. The bad news is that Doke strained his knee
during practice and will not play. Oklahoma State still has something to play
for, as the talking heads still fell that the Cowboys are on the bubble. And
let's not discount the possibility that Self might want to help his alma mater
get into the Dance.
Seven Overtimes is the most optimistic, with Kansas as an 11 point favorite.
Sagarin's Recent Games method is the most pessimistic, with Kansas losing by
10 points. The average favors Kansas by 6 points. How many is Doke worth?
Among the eight key offensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in five of them;
Oklahoma State grabs more total rebounds per game, has a higher offensive rebound
percentage, and attempts more free throws per field goal attempt. Among the
seven key defensive stats, Kansas has the advantage in five; Oklahoma State grabs
more offensive rebounds per game and steals more balls per game.
Common Opponents
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There are nine common opponents, namely Texas A&M and all the other eight conference
members. Adding both permutations involving Oklahoma State's neutral court win over
Oklahoma to both head-to-head games, we have twenty one scores to compare:
KU +11 A&M at home ( +8 neutral court)
OSU -17 A&M neutral (-17 neutral court)
KU +25 OSU neutral (+25 neutral court)
KU +8 WVU at home ( +5 neutral court) KU +5 WVU on road ( +8 neutral court)
OSU -6 WVU at home ( -9 neutral court) OSU +3 WVU on road ( +6 neutral court)
KU +14 OSU neutral (+14 neutral court) KU +2 OSU neutral ( +2 neutral court)
KU -5 OU on road ( -2 neutral court) KU +30 OU at home (+27 neutral court)
OSU -20 OU on road (-17 neutral court) OSU +2 OU at home ( -1 neutral court)
KU +15 OSU neutral (+15 neutral court) KU +28 OSU neutral (+28 neutral court)
KU +5 ISU at home ( +2 neutral court) KU +6 ISU on road ( +9 neutral court)
OSU +9 ISU at home ( +6 neutral court) OSU +9 ISU on road (+12 neutral court)
KU -4 OSU neutral ( -4 neutral court) KU -3 OSU neutral ( -3 neutral court)
KU +14 KSU on road (+17 neutral court) KU +1 KSU at home ( -2 neutral court)
OSU -4 KSU on road ( -1 neutral court) OSU -10 KSU at home (-13 neutral court)
KU +18 OSU neutral (+18 neutral court) KU +11 OSU neutral (+11 neutral court)
KU +10 UT at home ( +7 neutral court) KU +6 UT on road ( +9 neutral court)
OSU +1 UT at home ( -2 neutral court) OSU -1 UT on road ( +2 neutral court)
KU +9 OSU neutral ( +9 neutral court) KU +7 OSU neutral ( +7 neutral court)
KU -16 BU on road (-13 neutral court) KU +3 BU at home ( 0 neutral court)
OSU -16 BU on road (-13 neutral court) OSU -11 BU at home (-14 neutral court)
KU 0 OSU neutral ( 0 neutral court) KU +14 OSU neutral (+14 neutral court)
KU +2 TTU on road ( +5 neutral court) KU -12 TTU at home (-15 neutral court)
OSU -5 TTU on road ( -2 neutral court) OSU +8 TTU at home ( +5 neutral court)
KU +7 OSU neutral ( +7 neutral court) KU -20 OSU neutral (-20 neutral court)
KU +7 TCU at home ( +4 neutral court) KU +4 TCU on road ( +7 neutral court)
OSU -13 TCU at home (-16 neutral court) OSU -20 TCU on road (-17 neutral court)
KU +20 OSU neutral (+20 neutral court) KU +24 OSU neutral (+24 neutral court)
KU -5 OU on road ( -2 neutral court) KU +30 OU at home (+27 neutral court)
OSU +11 OU neutral (+11 neutral court) OSU +11 OU neutral (+11 neutral court)
KU -13 OSU neutral (-13 neutral court) KU +16 OSU neutral (+16 neutral court)
KU -5 OSU at home ( -8 neutral court) KU -18 OSU on road (-15 neutral court)
KU -8 OSU neutral ( -8 neutral court) KU -25 OSU neutral (-15 neutral court)
Fourteen of the comparisons favor Kansas, while six favor Oklahoma State; one is a
wash. The Cowboys matched up better with Iowa State than Kansas did, whiles Kansas
matched up better with Oklahoma, Kansas State, Texas, and TCU than did Oklahoma State.
The rest produced mixed results. The average is 6.5 points in favor of Kansas, with
a scatter of 14.6 points.
Players to Watch
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Most minutes Jeffrey Carroll guard
Leading scorer Jeffrey Carroll guard
Leading rebounder Mitchell Solomon forward
Most assists Kendall Smith guard
Most steals Kendall Smith guard
Most blocks Yankuba Sima forward
Most turnovers Kendall Smith guard
Most fouls Mitchell Solomon forward
24-6 17-13
Margin Predicted Win Prb Kansas Oklahoma State
Predictor points Score percent Rating SOS Rating SOS
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Sagarin Overall +6.41 79 72 # 8 # 6 # 45 # 7
Sagarin Predictor +7.99 80 72 74.6 # 7 # 6 # 47 # 7
Sagarin Golden Mean +7.24 79 72 # 8 # 6 # 45 # 7
Sagarin Recent Games -9.78 71 80 # 59 # 6 # 5 # 7
Sagarin Off-Def Meth +7.78 79 71
Sagarin Combo +8.40 80 71 # 4 # 7 # 44 # 9
Sagarin Elo +8.81 80 71 # 4 # 7 # 43 # 9
Sagarin Blue +8.01 80 72 # 8 # 7 # 46 # 9
performance adjust +8.03 80 72
trend adjust +3.62 77 74
Massey +4.00 77 73 66.0 # 12 # 2 # 44 # 25
Pomeroy +5.36 77 71 # 12 # 8 # 51 # 22
Greenfield +5.50 77 72 # 7 # 3 # 47 # 22
Dunkel +1.50 78 77 # 14 # 69
Vegas (via Dunkel) +3.50 77 73
Real Time RPI # 7 # 6 # 82 # 54
Real Time GAMER # 7 # 6 # 82 # 54
Dolphin Predictive +5.34 78 73 67.6 # 10 # 5 # 40 # 26
ESPN BPI +9.80 81.4 # 10 # 9 # 58 # 11
Seven Overtimes +11.00 81 70 86.0 # 10 # 6 #107 # 12
Whitlock +6.52 # 12 # 4 # 52 # 31
DPPI +6.60
Colley Matrix +10.56 # 4 # 3 # 62 # 33
CBN RPI # 6 # 2 # 85 # 67
LRMC # 10 # 2 # 52 # 33
common opponents +6.52
==================== ====== ========= ======= ============ ============
average +6.03 +/- 4.24
Here is Kansas' season, along with future opponents, if the tournament
plays out according to seed:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
---- ----------------------------- ------- ------ ----- -----
HOME #211 Tennessee State 92 56 +25.91 +10.09
NEUT # 15 Kentucky 65 61 +4.04 -0.04
HOME # 89 South Dakota State 98 64 +15.95 +18.05
HOME #248 Texas Southern 114 71 +28.39 +14.61
HOME #161 Oakland-Mich. 102 59 +22.30 +20.70
HOME #116 Toledo 96 58 +18.94 +19.06
NEUT # 48 Syracuse 76 60 +8.35 +7.65
HOME # 97 Washington 65 74 +16.97 -25.97
HOME # 44 Arizona State 85 95 +10.55 -20.55
AWAY # 66 Nebraska 73 72 +7.17 -6.17
HOME #270 Omaha(Neb.-Omaha) 109 64 +29.62 +15.38
AWAY # 77 Stanford 75 54 +8.86 +12.14
AWAY # 35 Texas 92 86 +3.09 +2.91
HOME # 11 Texas Tech 73 85 +5.63 -17.63
AWAY # 17 TCU 88 84 +1.00 +3.00
HOME # 81 Iowa State 83 78 +15.39 -10.39
HOME # 43 Kansas State 73 72 +10.51 -9.51
AWAY # 9 West Virginia 71 66 -2.34 +7.34
HOME # 24 Baylor 70 67 +8.40 -5.40
AWAY # 37 Oklahoma 80 85 +3.23 -8.23
HOME # 30 Texas A&M 79 68 +8.95 +2.05
AWAY # 43 Kansas State 70 56 +4.15 +9.85
HOME # 47 Oklahoma State 79 84 +11.17 -16.17
HOME # 17 TCU 71 64 +7.36 -0.36
AWAY # 24 Baylor 64 80 +2.04 -18.04
AWAY # 81 Iowa State 83 77 +9.03 -3.03
HOME # 9 West Virginia 77 69 +4.02 +3.98
HOME # 37 Oklahoma 104 74 +9.59 +20.41
AWAY # 11 Texas Tech 74 72 -0.73 +2.73
HOME # 35 Texas 80 70 +9.45 +0.55
AWAY # 47 Oklahoma State 64 82 +4.81 -22.81
NEUT # 47 Oklahoma State +7.99 0.746
NEUT # 43 Kansas State +7.33 0.731
NEUT # 11 Texas Tech +2.45 0.581
Here is Oklahoma State's season:
SITE OPPONENT SCORE PREDIC ERROR PROB.
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HOME #247 Pepperdine 78 47 +20.34 +10.66
HOME #303 Charlotte 83 65 +23.80 -5.80
HOME #236 Oral Roberts 91 48 +19.33 +23.67
NEUT # 30 Texas A&M 55 72 -2.22 -14.78
NEUT #187 Pittsburgh 73 67 +13.02 -7.02
HOME #328 Houston Baptist 101 74 +27.12 -0.12
HOME #220 Austin Peay 79 63 +18.26 -2.26
HOME #347 MVSU(Miss. Valley St.) 83 62 +32.75 -11.75
HOME # 14 Wichita State 66 78 -1.97 -10.03
NEUT # 32 Florida State 71 70 -2.07 +3.07
HOME #101 Tulsa 71 59 +9.48 +2.52
HOME #268 UTRGV 102 83 +21.46 -2.46
HOME # 9 West Virginia 79 85 -3.97 -2.03
AWAY # 37 Oklahoma 89 109 -4.76 -15.24
HOME # 81 Iowa State 96 87 +7.40 +1.60
AWAY # 43 Kansas State 82 86 -3.84 -0.16
HOME # 35 Texas 65 64 +1.46 -0.46
AWAY # 24 Baylor 60 76 -5.95 -10.05
HOME # 37 Oklahoma 83 81 +1.60 +0.40
AWAY # 11 Texas Tech 70 75 -8.72 +3.72
AWAY # 33 Arkansas 65 66 -4.95 +3.95
HOME # 17 TCU 66 79 -0.63 -12.37
AWAY # 7 Kansas 84 79 -11.17 +16.17
HOME # 24 Baylor 56 67 +0.41 -11.41
AWAY # 9 West Virginia 88 85 -10.33 +13.33
HOME # 43 Kansas State 72 82 +2.52 -12.52
AWAY # 17 TCU 70 90 -6.99 -13.01
HOME # 11 Texas Tech 79 71 -2.36 +10.36
AWAY # 35 Texas 64 65 -4.90 +3.90
AWAY # 81 Iowa State 80 71 +1.04 +7.96
HOME # 7 Kansas 82 64 -4.81 +22.81
NEUT # 37 Oklahoma 71 60 -1.58 +12.58
NEUT # 7 Kansas -7.99 0.254
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7 years 6 months ago #17181
by HawkErrant
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Gotta say I wished my gut agreed with the projected probability, but I will be pleasantly surprised if our Beloved Birds win today.
Then again, I just made KU a “killer bs” there, so maybe we will see a big W for KU today!
Then again, I just made KU a “killer bs” there, so maybe we will see a big W for KU today!
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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