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6 years 2 months ago #16567
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
In a recent article after the WVU game Ken Pomeroy is quoted regarding KU: “They are good at drawing fouls everywhere, but they do have an advantage at home,” Pomeroy said. “I have a model that measures a team’s home court advantage and it says that KU has had the 38th best home foul advantage in recent seasons. So they do get a favorable whistle, but not necessarily the best in the country.”
So who are the Top 40, and how many are Big 12 teams?
I read one comment to the article that said ISU actually had a better home foul advantage.
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So who are the Top 40, and how many are Big 12 teams?
I read one comment to the article that said ISU actually had a better home foul advantage.
Link to article.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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6 years 2 months ago - 6 years 2 months ago #16618
by HawkErrant
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Answers provided in a thread on JayhawkSlant from various posters.
kenpom.com actually has a straight "home court advantage" ranking and a "home court foul advantage" ranking
HOME COURT ADVANTAGE TOP 40 since 2002
Source: kenpom.com model. Big 12 teams BOLD and in COLOR
1. Iowa St.
2. Colorado*
3. Arkansas
4. Air Force
5. Illinois St.
6. Texas Tech
7. Louisiana Tech
8. Utah Valley
9. Colorado St.
10. West Virginia
11. Wake Forest
12. New Mexico
13. Iowa
14. Oklahoma St.
15. Wyoming
16. Kentucky
17. New Mexico St.
18. Bradley
19. Dayton
20. Alabama
21. Texas A&M*
22. Missouri*
23. Kansas St.
24. Mississippi
25. Drake
26. Evansville
27. Oklahoma
28. La Salle
29. Tennessee
30. Boise St.
31. Missouri St.
32. Southern Miss
33. Utah St.
34. North Carolina A&T
35. Utah
36. Mississippi St.
37. Syracuse
38. Kansas
39. Memphis
40. Charlotte
* former Big 12 teams
Model Ranking of Big 12 teams looking solely at Home Court Foul Advantage
4 - Iowa St
13 - Oklahoma St
21 - Texas Tech
30 - W Virginia
31 - Oklahoma
33 - Kansas
NB: Only KState from the pure HCA model is not in the Top 40 HCFA model results.
Cry me a river, ESPN and KANSAS haters everywhere.
Don't ya just love hard DATA?
kenpom.com actually has a straight "home court advantage" ranking and a "home court foul advantage" ranking
HOME COURT ADVANTAGE TOP 40 since 2002
Source: kenpom.com model. Big 12 teams BOLD and in COLOR
1. Iowa St.
2. Colorado*
3. Arkansas
4. Air Force
5. Illinois St.
6. Texas Tech
7. Louisiana Tech
8. Utah Valley
9. Colorado St.
10. West Virginia
11. Wake Forest
12. New Mexico
13. Iowa
14. Oklahoma St.
15. Wyoming
16. Kentucky
17. New Mexico St.
18. Bradley
19. Dayton
20. Alabama
21. Texas A&M*
22. Missouri*
23. Kansas St.
24. Mississippi
25. Drake
26. Evansville
27. Oklahoma
28. La Salle
29. Tennessee
30. Boise St.
31. Missouri St.
32. Southern Miss
33. Utah St.
34. North Carolina A&T
35. Utah
36. Mississippi St.
37. Syracuse
38. Kansas
39. Memphis
40. Charlotte
* former Big 12 teams
Model Ranking of Big 12 teams looking solely at Home Court Foul Advantage
4 - Iowa St
13 - Oklahoma St
21 - Texas Tech
30 - W Virginia
31 - Oklahoma
33 - Kansas
NB: Only KState from the pure HCA model is not in the Top 40 HCFA model results.
Cry me a river, ESPN and KANSAS haters everywhere.
Don't ya just love hard DATA?
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6 years 2 months ago #16619
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FAKE NEWS!!!!!
Seriously, this is very interesting stuff HE. Also, it doesn't bode well for Saturday. Good thing Mitch is playing five stars above his pay grade and DeSouza is blossoming just in time,
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Seriously, this is very interesting stuff HE. Also, it doesn't bode well for Saturday. Good thing Mitch is playing five stars above his pay grade and DeSouza is blossoming just in time,
RC
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6 years 2 months ago - 6 years 2 months ago #16620
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Regarding Saturday, keep in mind that:
(1) asteroid's and CorpusJayhawk's models incorporate "home court advantage" into their projections, and after what I saw last iteration, the game should be close to a toss up when their newest projections are published -- and even more in our favor if both Keenan Evans and Zach Smith are still out.
(2) The team seems to be (hopefully) building to a season ending peak now. We can't reasonably expect another game like the OU game -- Tech is one of the best defensive teams in the country, and IIRC the best in conference -- but the D&Svi groove finding, return of the head lost Malik and LV, the rise in skill of the Nigerian Nightmare and -- as you noted -- the continued solid play of Mitch and what looks to be the emergence of Silvio as a contributor after just 57 days (as I write this) as a Jayhawk bodes well for Saturday's game.
(3) Final point: In his KU career to date, no team -- NONE, NIL, NADA Bill Self KU team -- has EVER been swept in Big 12 conference play. Combined with everything else, this bodes well for Saturday.
Keepin' the faith, Brother Bay!
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Bayhawk wrote: FAKE NEWS!!!!!
Seriously, this is very interesting stuff HE. Also, it doesn't bode well for Saturday. Good thing Mitch is playing five stars above his pay grade and DeSouza is blossoming just in time,
RC
Regarding Saturday, keep in mind that:
(1) asteroid's and CorpusJayhawk's models incorporate "home court advantage" into their projections, and after what I saw last iteration, the game should be close to a toss up when their newest projections are published -- and even more in our favor if both Keenan Evans and Zach Smith are still out.
(2) The team seems to be (hopefully) building to a season ending peak now. We can't reasonably expect another game like the OU game -- Tech is one of the best defensive teams in the country, and IIRC the best in conference -- but the D&Svi groove finding, return of the head lost Malik and LV, the rise in skill of the Nigerian Nightmare and -- as you noted -- the continued solid play of Mitch and what looks to be the emergence of Silvio as a contributor after just 57 days (as I write this) as a Jayhawk bodes well for Saturday's game.
(3) Final point: In his KU career to date, no team -- NONE, NIL, NADA Bill Self KU team -- has EVER been swept in Big 12 conference play. Combined with everything else, this bodes well for Saturday.
Keepin' the faith, Brother Bay!
ROCK CHALK!
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6 years 2 months ago #16623
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“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
1936 inscription on the portrait of Dr. Naismith, displayed above Phog Allen's office desk at KU.
SUPERB work, Sir.
“With kindest regards to Dr. Forrest C. Allen, the father of basketball coaching, from the father of the game.”
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HE,
What are the numbers behind the top list rankings? Is it winning percentage or average scoring margin?
If it is winning percentage, I'd think the Jayhawks would be higher up the list.
Thanks!
What are the numbers behind the top list rankings? Is it winning percentage or average scoring margin?
If it is winning percentage, I'd think the Jayhawks would be higher up the list.
Thanks!
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6 years 2 months ago - 6 years 2 months ago #16876
by HawkErrant
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
Sorry, I don't have a subscription so I don't know for certain. I got the rankings listed above from a couple of posts on JayhawkSlant by folks who are subscribers.
Now, judging from the sample pages kenpom uses to show prospective subscribers the kind of content they would be paying for, it looks like the rankings are based on the number of additional points a team can expect from playing at home. Here's a snip from there:
Section of a page for Alabama-Birmingham, see yellow highlighting in BRH corner.
Now, judging from the sample pages kenpom uses to show prospective subscribers the kind of content they would be paying for, it looks like the rankings are based on the number of additional points a team can expect from playing at home. Here's a snip from there:
Section of a page for Alabama-Birmingham, see yellow highlighting in BRH corner.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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