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Random assortment of fun facts at the halfway point of Big 12 play
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7 years 5 months ago #16073
by NotOstertag
"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
Going over my personal "league tracker" excel sheet, there are some interesting things popping out:
HOME VS ROAD records
-KU's 4-1 road record is stellar. Nobody else has more than 2 road wins, and Baylor, OSU and ISU have yet to win a road game.
-OU and Tech (our 2 losses) are the only undefeated home record teams.
One side-note on this: since the league has played an odd number of games (9) half the league has played 5 home games and 4 road games, and the other half have played the opposite. The home/road thing will be a better comparison after Saturday.
BILL SELF MATH
HCBS counts wins as 1 point and home losses as -1 point. Using that math, we're actually TIED with Tech and OU (+6).
MAGIC NUMBERS
Still early to talk about a magic number (I think it's 9, or 8 to tie btw), but not too early to talk about who is realistically, if not officially, out of the running.
If you assume that 13 wins will win the league (or share) Baylor, OSU,and ISU don't have enough game left to get to 13. Texas and TCU would have to go undefeated to get there. If you raise the bar to 14 (based in history of what it takes) you can add KSU and WVU to teams that would need to win out to get there. Of course, KU would have to go 7-2 to get to 14 or 6-3 to get to 13.
CUPCAKE SCHEDULE
No team has more than 3 non-conference losses, yet all but KU have at least that many in Big 12 play. While this indicates how tough the Big 12 is, it also potentially indicates that some schools may have scheduled some tasty pastries in their non-con schedule. To wit:
-TCU: hotter than firecrackers in a parked car early on: 12-1 non-con record. 4-5 in the Big 12, now sitting at 16-6 overall.
-Honorable mention to Baylor and OSU. Both had flashy 10-3 non-con records, and Drew's crew is in the cellar of the Big 12 at 2-7, 12-10 overall (only Big 12 team with 10 overall losses). OSU's 3-6 Big 12 record has them at 13-9 overall.
-Those crafty Cyclones: somehow, ISU avoided honorable mention status (so I guess I'll call that "dishonorable mention"?). Their record would have mirrored OSU's, but somehow the Cyclones only scheduled 12 (not 13) non-conference games. I guess that extra rest paid off and helped them beat WVU. The boys in Ames are proving that you can't lose the games that you don't play. Hope that works out for them.
HOME VS ROAD records
-KU's 4-1 road record is stellar. Nobody else has more than 2 road wins, and Baylor, OSU and ISU have yet to win a road game.
-OU and Tech (our 2 losses) are the only undefeated home record teams.
One side-note on this: since the league has played an odd number of games (9) half the league has played 5 home games and 4 road games, and the other half have played the opposite. The home/road thing will be a better comparison after Saturday.
BILL SELF MATH
HCBS counts wins as 1 point and home losses as -1 point. Using that math, we're actually TIED with Tech and OU (+6).
MAGIC NUMBERS
Still early to talk about a magic number (I think it's 9, or 8 to tie btw), but not too early to talk about who is realistically, if not officially, out of the running.
If you assume that 13 wins will win the league (or share) Baylor, OSU,and ISU don't have enough game left to get to 13. Texas and TCU would have to go undefeated to get there. If you raise the bar to 14 (based in history of what it takes) you can add KSU and WVU to teams that would need to win out to get there. Of course, KU would have to go 7-2 to get to 14 or 6-3 to get to 13.
CUPCAKE SCHEDULE
No team has more than 3 non-conference losses, yet all but KU have at least that many in Big 12 play. While this indicates how tough the Big 12 is, it also potentially indicates that some schools may have scheduled some tasty pastries in their non-con schedule. To wit:
-TCU: hotter than firecrackers in a parked car early on: 12-1 non-con record. 4-5 in the Big 12, now sitting at 16-6 overall.
-Honorable mention to Baylor and OSU. Both had flashy 10-3 non-con records, and Drew's crew is in the cellar of the Big 12 at 2-7, 12-10 overall (only Big 12 team with 10 overall losses). OSU's 3-6 Big 12 record has them at 13-9 overall.
-Those crafty Cyclones: somehow, ISU avoided honorable mention status (so I guess I'll call that "dishonorable mention"?). Their record would have mirrored OSU's, but somehow the Cyclones only scheduled 12 (not 13) non-conference games. I guess that extra rest paid off and helped them beat WVU. The boys in Ames are proving that you can't lose the games that you don't play. Hope that works out for them.
"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
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7 years 5 months ago #16080
by HawkErrant
Full disclosure reveals it could be argued that TCU does not deserve being in the Cupcake Schedule section.
First, their 5 conference losses:
2 to OU, by 1 point in Fort Worth, then in OT in Norman
1 at KU
1 at tu in 2OT
Their last loss?
At KSU after starting soph PG Jaylen Fisher (their Straw) went down for the season with a knee injury in practice on Jan 18.
Since then they have beaten
WVU by 9 in Fort Worth
OSU by 13 in Stillwater
Only loss since seemingly(?) recovering from the loss of Fisher has been at Vandy, where they lost by 3.
Just seems harsh to me putting someone in the Cupcake section when their only arguably “bad” loss when they were fully manned was at Texas in 2OT.
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NotOstertag wrote:
CUPCAKE SCHEDULE
No team has more than 3 non-conference losses, yet all but KU have at least that many in Big 12 play. While this indicates how tough the Big 12 is, it also potentially indicates that some schools may have scheduled some tasty pastries in their non-con schedule. To wit:
-TCU: hotter than firecrackers in a parked car early on: 12-1 non-con record. 4-5 in the Big 12, now sitting at 16-6 overall.
Full disclosure reveals it could be argued that TCU does not deserve being in the Cupcake Schedule section.
First, their 5 conference losses:
2 to OU, by 1 point in Fort Worth, then in OT in Norman
1 at KU
1 at tu in 2OT
Their last loss?
At KSU after starting soph PG Jaylen Fisher (their Straw) went down for the season with a knee injury in practice on Jan 18.
Since then they have beaten
WVU by 9 in Fort Worth
OSU by 13 in Stillwater
Only loss since seemingly(?) recovering from the loss of Fisher has been at Vandy, where they lost by 3.
Just seems harsh to me putting someone in the Cupcake section when their only arguably “bad” loss when they were fully manned was at Texas in 2OT.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad"
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7 years 5 months ago #16083
by NotOstertag
"When I was a freshman, I remember Coach Naismith telling us how important it was to play good defense." - Mitch Lightfoot
Fair enough. Maybe a poor choice of wording there. Maybe "largest negative turnaround" would be more accurate.
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